03-08-2024, 12:33 PM
(03-08-2024, 01:43 AM)Dill Wrote: I'll enjoy explaining why, but I won't get around to it till Saturday or Sunday.
I'm on shpilkes.
Quote:Meantime it looks like you're not going to risk any more factual engagement on this issue.
So I'll leave you with a few points of preview:
Risk? If you mean the risk of being nauseated by Hamas talking points then yes, there would be a risk.
Quote:1. I've actually addressed your question somewhat above (#136), when I laid out our methodological differences and goals: i.e., we disagree on whether discussions here should be open to fact-driven inquiry or subject to explicitly ideological/political limits.
2. Other than limiting their motivation to religious belief, no one has so far been misrepresenting Hamas's actions; I've said they represent the Palestinian right-wing, a mirror image of the Knesset's right wing, and a two-state solution will never be possible with them in power. Everyone agrees that they broke out of the siege of Gaza and killed and raped innocent civilians. Israel's desire to destroy them (not innocent Gazans) is justifiable (though the siege is not). Until someone challenges the factual record there, I won't have much else to contribute. And for the record, I have posted about Hamas; you wanted me to stop.
The underlined is the issue with you, and always has been. You directly equate the terrorist dogs in Hamas to Israelis, whether in government or the IDF. There is no comparison. Hamas are religious fanatics who wantonly rape and murder civilians while kidnapping literal babies and toddlers. They are the lowest scum the human race has ever produced. Your attempts to equate them to any body of people in Israel is the worst kind of equivocating. There is no comparable actor in Israel, not even close. To find a comparable actor you need to confine yourself to the other Islamic fascists in ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, as well as the terrorist regime in Iran.
Your consistent, and persistent, attempts to draw parallels between Hamas and the IDF or Israeli government is pure terrorist whitewashing and propaganda. You are the Bagdad Bob of Hamas and I'm damn sure not going to let you spew that drivel unchallenged. Thankfully, your very persistence is now working against you as others are starting to notice about you what I've known for years.
Quote:3. It would be profitable to remind everyone why denunciation is one of the preferred modes of regime address in authoritarian/totalitarian regimes. Where legitimating narratives cannot hold up under close factual examination, the next move is to prevent them from occurring. Historically, that has meant closing the space of open, fact-based inquiry with a simple binary question--FRIEND or ENEMY? Populations learn quickly enough how never to trigger that question. One sees that model in its most developed in places like North Korea, but an incipient form of it is proving attractive in our domestic politics, where millions have been persuaded to censor themselves by an authoritarian populist ("fake news"!).
It would be far more profitable for you to realize that constant mitigating and excuse making for terrorists is nauseating and water carrying for their cause, but I don't expect you to stop. Ever.
