If you're Jewish and you vote for Biden you hate your religion and hate Israel

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(03-19-2024, 03:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: But I don't see calling it out, consistently, regardless of the offender is in any way whataboutism.  I completely agree that the actions of one person, in this regard, do not justify the actions of another.  But the condemnation should be consistent.

Sure, it should, and it is not in many instances. That doesn't take away much from my initial point though.

(03-19-2024, 03:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Using your example, I'm willing to be she gets far less coverage or concern that AfD does, for one example.  The perception that racism is a strictly right wing issue is dangerous and it is rather prevalent.

It certainly is not a strictly right wing issue. That being said, the AfD gets more scrutiny mainly because they are just way way worse and way more explicit. No matter if it's the US or Germany or my own sad country, in all cases I would whole-heartedly agree that the racism problem on the right is way more massive and way more dangerous still. That sure does not mean racist tropes from the left deserve to be ignored or swept under the rug by means of whataboutism, and that sure does happen. But I can still not put both sides on an equal level of scrutiny just because the media coverage is skewed.

(03-19-2024, 03:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Of course it's a double standard, but to deny it occurs naturally is denying reality.  Shocking behavior from one person is normal for another.  Your reaction to said behavior will always be predicated by your knowledge of that person's behavior.

Oh, that it's a double standard took less convincing than I thought. I wonder about the conclusion though. Yeah it's natural to a point, that doesn't mean it's to be accepted. I am not willing to just accept words from Trump's mouth as normal that would be a scandal if anyone else but him had said the same thing. And I think that is fair, to ask what if Biden had said it, you vote for me or else you hate your religion and should be ashamed. You would not let that one pass coming from him, I'd assume.

(03-19-2024, 03:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: He's literally hyperbole in human form, he's always going to be.  To me the overreaction of the media gets him off, he enjoys making them look stupid and they seem only to happy to oblige him.  If the media reaction had been more fair, e.g. actually shown the clip in context and acknowledge that he was referring to the auto industry, but then commenting on how his history of statements makes this seem more nefarious than it otherwise would, it would have given Trump, and anyone viewing the reaction, far less room to maneuver.  Instead they had a legit meltdown.  Look at Joe Scarborough's reaction for one example.  

Don' make me watch Joe... arrgh... welp, you did that now. Well, it was short enough and there's something I agree with, that "it'll be the least of it" makes it less plausible that he was strictly speaking in economic terms, just my take. But I do not deem people stupid for having another take. Generally, I don't need much convincing that MSNBC is almost exclusively an ultra-partisan assembly of manipulative hacks and that the news media in the US, on both sides, is pretty horrible, one-sided, manipulative and opinionated. Agreed, I'd have preferred if they took your suggestion, that is actually a pretty close characterization of my viewpoint. It's a sad fact that they are not inclined to be fair, they are inclined to whip their own in a constant frenzy. But imho, that is a bit of a side topic here. I don't give Trump a pass because the media covers him in an unfair manner at times.