If you're Jewish and you vote for Biden you hate your religion and hate Israel

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(03-19-2024, 04:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Here I absolutely have to preface by saying I live in a very left leaning part of the US (maybe not so left leaning for Europe?).  That said I have heard significantly more racist statements by so called liberals and progressives than I have by more right leaning people.  Maybe there's something to the power dynamic, that it emboldens people to voice opinions they would not in an environment in which they felt themselves to be in a less dominant position.  The amount of self loathing white people in this part of the country is astonishing.

Naturally, I can not really speak to the California experience. As for Europe, that's a tad more complicated imho. We are way left of the US on most socioeconomic issues, regarding healthcare, education, vacation, paid maternity leave, pensions and such. However, we are, in my assessment, still pretty conservative when it comes to societal issues. Same-sex marriage is still an issue, on abortion we actually are pretty close to the latest Trump suggestion (it's unpunished within three months of pregnancy), my country still prosecutes people for marihuana possession (never got me!), we aren't all that liberal on crime either. In short, we're Bernie countries, not necessarily AOC countries though. Still, our right wing is distinctly more racist than the left wing, I dare to say that, and overall I feel the same is true for the US, at least on the federal stage.

But just so I do not misunderstand, you talk about self-loathing white people? So, whites being racist against whites? I mean nothing by that question, I would even in parts agree that there is some self-loathing that takes it too far, as are many racism accusations in general. It's just not all that clear to me what you mean.

(03-19-2024, 04:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It didn't take convincing because it's a natural human behavior.  We become acclimated to behavior.  A similar bad action by a person with a history of bad actions will provoke far less severe of a response as that of a bad action by a person with zero history in that regard.

I understand the dynamic, I just find it unwise to live by it. Actually, I feel the opposite is true, that a person with zero history actually is way more credible in any denial or withdrawal than a person that does it all the time. Specifically, I refuse to normalize Trump's many outrageous statements just because he makes them on a regular basis. It makes him more dangerous, not less.

(03-19-2024, 04:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't give him a pass either.  I am just consistently mystified by how much they play into Trump's game.  You are corre4ct, whipping up their viewers is a goal, but I think it's entirely genuine with them.  Their response that is.  As I stated above, people have an innate sense of fairness.  If they perceive one party as being treated unfairly they will tend to gravitate towards/sympathize with that person.  Even if that person is not deserving of either.  The media/far left has enabled Trump as much as anyone, and judging by this thread many still have zero clue they're doing it.

On that I can not disagree at all, even when I don't find the bloodbath example to be the most compelling one for reasons stated. There are a plethora of other examples though that make me believe you are correct on that one still. Alligators and snakes at the border that Trump allegedly wants, for example.