Israel/Hamas War Superthread

[Dill]

(04-28-2024, 12:57 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So you've just decided the protests are about Hamas--
There are Hamas prisoners in there with the children. THAT's whom the protestors really want freed.
then all counter-evidence is dismissed as "trying to shift the conversation" from your still unfounded projection. 

I do have to give you credit.  You managed, briefly, to change the subject away from the students wanting to free Hamas protestors.  If you want to argue that Israel should release children, those under thirteen, that have not committed violent crimes then that's something I could possibly get behind.  What I wouldn't do is join a protest also attended by Hamas supporters and avowed bigots.

The problem for you here is that you cannot make a cogent argument that there aren't pro-Hamas or antisemitic people attending these protests.  You can only attempt to argue the percentage of the overall group composed of them.  Sorry, old boy, them's the facts. 

Students want to free Hamas "protestors"?

Again, you are addressing argument I have not made and don't have to make.

I don't deny the possibility there could be  pro-Hamas protestor, or some accelerationist claiming to be one, at any of these protests
(though as yet, you've produced no evidence of such). And don't have to, to refute any claim the protests are "pro-Hamas."

The is issue is whether the protests were organized to protest civilian slaughter, the occupation, and people illegally imprisoned.
The protestors say that's what they are doing, as do the signs in your photographic "evidence."  THEM's the facts. 
But you call sticking to those facts "changing the subject," which is, somehow, Hamas--like THAT's what's moving the protests, not tens of thousands
of unnecessary civilian casualties.

In the past you've argued that MTG and the Capitol rioters were not representative of the GOP. Now you have reversed that vector, taking a 
small group, whose actual presence at the protests you have yet to establish, and insisting they define the anti-war protests. Why do you
give them this power?

Or I may have moved you a bit on this, since now you are speaking of protests only "attended" by Hamas supporters. And you could get behind
protesting the IDF jailing of children under 14.  What about that 14 year old in the Time link I gave you, who was snatched on his way to school,
breaking no laws?  Leave that guy in? Still a crime to protest the occupation though? The mistreatment of children, or prisoners of any age
locked up under military rule?  

This general injustice has always been the focus of the protests. You are not ready to protest that yet, especially if there are "bigots" also in attendance.