05-03-2024, 06:38 PM
(05-03-2024, 06:12 PM)Dill Wrote: So is civil rights history limited to King? It's quite possible that white women were raped during slave rebellions, like Nat turner's. Turner, by the way, killed his master and his wife and children with an ax. Then went on to "mass murder" some 70 more whites.
But I'd still say Turner and his slaves were the oppressed. Do you think they were not?
Am I "mitigating" and "apologizing" forTurner's crimes by saying slavery was wrong?
They sure were. It doesn't change the fact that Turner was a piece of shit and what he did is indefensible. But Turner wasn't the elected government of a group of people either. The first in a string of poor analogies for you.
Quote:If MLK had engaged in gang rape, mass murder, and kidnapping and killing infants, segregation would still be wrong, right?
And Blacks living under it would still have been oppressed, right?
Segregation would still be wrong, and if MLK handled his business like your buddies it would likely still exist.
Quote:Your constant return to gang rape and mass murder--but only on Oct 7 and only by Palestinians (not just Hamas)--looks designed to obfuscate the primary
issue, which is the occupation before Oct 7 and now the Gaza War. It's become openly defensive, a desperate high ground that requires blinders to protect.
I'm not stuck on 10/07, Hamas has been garbage pieces of shit far longer than that.
Quote:Just as segregation would still be wrong and blacks oppressed by it if MLK did rape and mass murder, so is the occupation and indiscriminate warfare,
despite what Hamas did.
Except they're not the same, or even comparable.
Quote:Your impressions aren't evidence. So you don't know and don't generally take much care to make your statements accurate.
(BTW to what degree is "white guilt" is a construct deployed to the ends of white supremacy?)
My statements are clear to anyone interested in actually reading them.
Quote:So no 13k? This is not careful, skeptical vetting of sources, just denial. I haven't denied Hamas/Palestinian rapes.
No, you just excuse and mitigate them
Quote:No need to wait for any UN proof of dispossession and occupation either. That's also "actually broadcast."
As little as I trust our own government I trust the UN far less. I don't care what they find or conclude.
Quote:You say you don't "support" ethnic cleansing, but I'm not seeing any evidence you are actually against it,
at least not if Israel is the cleanser. You cannot even bring yourself to call it "oppression" and the cleansed "oppressed."
Like I said, it's hard to feel bad for the bully when they get punched in the mouth.
Quote:Lol not a bit of "white guilt" in you, for sure.
Indeed.
