Israel/Hamas War Superthread

[Dill]

(05-03-2024, 06:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Why would the students get a W for the civil rights and apartheid protests and not me?  

The issue is whether they actually understand what they are protesting. Your claim was they were ignorant and "rebellious" and going through a "phase." 
They misrecognize oppressors and oppressed because they simply see the weaker group as "automatically" oppressed. 

 Post #25 on the Columbia thread: These kids view everything as either powerful or not powerful, extrapolated further in oppressor versus oppressed.  So to them, Islam is an oppressed ideology by the racist and more powerful western nations.  

Post #505 above: if two groups are in conflict the group that is more powerful is automatically the oppressor, and thus the bad guys, and the less powerful group is the oppressed, and thus the good
  
This is not especially coherent, since a weaker group in a dominated relation would "automatically" oppressed, or there would be no domination. And it's hard to see how any dominators can be the good guys, coming from any valuation universal and equal human rights.  Your goal is to deny that Palestinians driven from their land and held under military occupation are really oppressed. Students don't understand how oppressors can be the "good guys" and their victims the "bad guys."

So you don't get a "W" for civil rights and apartheid protests because you have no evidence, beyond your feelings, that students only protested oppression in those cases because they thought the groups were "weaker."  

You get a "W" when you provide an example of mass student protests over some group that was not oppressed, just "weaker." 

(05-03-2024, 06:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This looks like willful denial of facts on the ground. You say you don't support ethnic cleansing. Apparently you are not against it, either.

Yes, Dill.  When you start a war and lose it badly there are consequences.  The Palestinians, and others, started shit and got their ass handed to them.  If they weren't such rabid Jew haters and just let Israel chill in 1948, and beyond, they wouldn't be in this position now.  I have little sympathy when the aggressors of multiple wars get their asses kicked.  What country was backing them during those wars btw?

Wow.
So hundreds of thousands of Jews from Europe migrate to Palestine and violently drive Palestinians off their land, 
with all the rape and murder you claim inexcusable when committed by Hamas or escaped slaves in the US, 
but you conclude that Palestinians are the ones who "started shit" because they didn't let Israel "chill" in the homes they took.
"Jew hate" explains why they keep fighting for those homes and to keep what little they have left. Those driven out of their homes are the real oppressors.
And that's why Arabs are "the aggressors of multiple wars." Little wonder you don't like the UN and International Humanitarian Law. 

You endorse a political order in which ethnicity legitimates state violence, and that violence trumps law and right.