Stormy kills Bragg case

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-09-2024, 05:36 PM)pally Wrote: Do you realize that many of those undocumented folks are working and paying taxes?  Can you imagine what food costs would be like without these workers laboring, on farms, ranches, orchards, and in meat processing facilities?

Whatever. the taxes gained and unclaimed doesn't even come close to the amount in benefits we pay out to their US born kids.

Your retired, how would you like someone out there to be running around using your SSN and earning wages with it? how would that affect your monthly retirement? It would be reduced. If you can afford to wait several months for the IRS/US Gov to get it fixed internally, then kudos to you, but many can't.

On the other Side, working people won't know their SSN is being used til they file taxes and the IRS sends them a letter stating they are being audited for falsely reporting income/wages earned for the Tax year. 

In most instances, the people doing the fraud aren't caught, and once they realize their SSN has been flagged, they ditch it and get a new one, then the process starts all over for another individual. Rinse and repeat. 

(05-09-2024, 05:36 PM)pally Wrote: You can't have it both ways....Trump cannot simultaneously be responsible for the perceived good things during his Presidency and not responsible for the bad things that happened...as much as he would like it to be.

yes we can have it both ways, if farms need pickers, you can apply for foreign workers to come and do the job. They come here legally and many work and return when the job is done so they can come back again the following year. It's not nearly as complicated as you are making it out to be. 


It's called the H2-A visa. In 2021 there was over 317k of these issued. 
H2-A is for Agriculture workers
H2-B is for non-Agriculture workers. So far for 2024 ytd, 130k have been issued. 

It's a very easy process, you apply about 60 days in advance stating how many workers  you will need, and like a Temp agency, the workers are supplied from the Pool that apply for work in the US. You don't have to hunt them down individually like you would if you were bringing in a specialized worker. yes some will abuse it and stay in the US when it expires, but the majority do not. This is how they survive and they know that if they do that, they won't be allowed back the following years. 

(05-09-2024, 05:36 PM)pally Wrote: There was zero guarantee that any person who lost their job during COVID would have that job to return to post-COVID.  In fact, a lot didn't come back.  New jobs took their place.  

Trump's lack of leadership and politicization of the pandemic response prolonged the shut down.  

Oh FFS, Trump gambled and down played the COVID in order to prevent everyone from from closing and tanking the Economy.

If he had allowed places to close, all we'd be hearing about from the Left is how he tanked the Economy. It was a Lose-Lose situation all the way around. 

I know, you know it, we all know it, and you act like he had all this control over a very unfortunate situation. But but Biden wouldda, coulda shoulda handled it better. Hindsight is nice, but from what we have seen from Biden, he flubbed up the immigration and created a crisis that wasn't there when he came into office and still hasn't done anything to address it.