05-23-2024, 11:46 AM
(05-23-2024, 09:56 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Erecting a border wall, sure. But the way in which they were forcing the Palestinian people to rely on international aid? Come on now. Also, I was refuting your point that Israel was not holding Gaza and the West Bank under military control until 07 Oct. That has been going on for decades.
As for Egypt, it's because the entirety of the Gazan population are refugees and many more of them would like to leave than Egypt could handle.
We could certainly have the chicken and egg debate to no end, but the reality is that Israel forces those conditions on the Palestinian people. Netanyahu propped up Hamas to support his position against a two-state solution because of their desire to control the entire territory. This is the root of why I do not support his government's actions because I fully believe he made the bed he should lie in.
As you admit, this is very much a chicken or the egg argument. One thing that cannot be denied is that, whatever the reason and impetus, the people of Gaza elected a terrorist organization to lead them. One with explicitly expressed genocidal intent. Without the wall how many more thousands of Israeli citizens would be raped, kidnapped and murdered?
We both agree there is no obvious good guy here in terms of who did what to who first. At the end of the day we have to deal with the situation as it exists, right now. That being the case there is clearly a side to support and clearly a side to condemn. It certainly doesn't give Israel a blank check to act as they please, but turning a blind eye to the deliberate actions of Hamas in terms of civilian casualties is to hand them a huge win. The ICC absolutely blew it here by treating them as equal actors, once again the West handing Hamas a huge propaganda victory.
