Israel/Hamas War Superthread

[Dill]

(05-23-2024, 12:20 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:  I asked if German and Japanese civilians were subjected to "collective punishment". 
Incorrect.  One could acknowledge the difference in actors and still engage in a fact based investigation.  

Yes, German and Japanese civilians were subjected to "collective punishment."
What desperate defense of Israel's use of collective punishment could you ever mount from that "fact"?  

You still don't see the problem with starting an investigation with conclusions--because you don't even recognize you are doing that.

Assuming the actors are by definition unequal from the start is already a "finding" of whom could possibly be guilty of what. 

An unnecessary, public display of partisanship at the outset would destroy any possible international recognition that the investigation findings were impartial.  
To use a term you frequently deploy, your complaint, really, is that the investigation is not "biased" towards Israel from the start.

This aligns with your previous efforts to block any acknowledgment of Israeli war crimes by declaring those who do so "Hamas supporters" and
"antisemites." Then as now, I am arguing for an investigation which begins with facts and the law; without even noticing, you argue that 
an investigation into Gaza war crimes can only be "fair" if it begins by taking a side. 
 

(05-23-2024, 12:20 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Per the norm we get a classic Dill obtuse twist.... You don't believe this because you're an extremist and extremists have a hard time believing there are people who aren't like them.
And you still haven't, because I didn't.
Love you, too!

This means you are unable to explain or defend your claim that Israel does not hold 5 million people under military rule,
depriving them of their basic human rights. 

Same for the following. 

(05-23-2024, 05:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You are very correct.  They did not drive the Israelis from their land.  They tried multiple times and got their ass kicked each time, resulting in their current situation.
One would be forgiven for thinking otherwise when they treat them both as equivalent actors.
Iran says hi.
Hamas is much better at manipulating the current crop of ideological extreme and ignorant youth.  TikTok would like you to know why Osama Bin Laden was right and all.