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5/30 ruling against Trump
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(05-31-2024, 05:46 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: By the way, the factset is almost indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton.  A lawfirm paid, $3M I think in total, for the oppo research we all know as "The Dossier".  It was billed as legal fees to the Clinton campaign.  As with Trump, the FEC declined to pursue charges.  Instead, they fined Hillary and the DNC like $100k.  And while we're on the subject, the social media and "30 former intelligence officials" attempting to quash and spin Hunter's laptop was clearly an illegal campaign contribution, notwithstanding this Trump case.

So I'll wait with baited breath for the upcoming charges against Clinton.  Guess he should have hired her lawyers instead of Cohen - "only the best people!" LOL.

My other issue is the NDA is not illegal, and if Trump had simply paid out of his own pocket I don't think there is a chargeable crime, even for a NY prosecutor.  But the whole point of an NDA is secrecy and anonymity, and it can be difficult to pursue recourse assuming you can even definitively prove the source of a leak.  Which is why they use pseudonyms.

Also, not making a legal argument just a practical observation....These business records are PRIVATE.  IRS audits are PRIVATE.  So we really are talking about, yet again, a PROCESS crime.  So I struggle to understand where the intent, irrespective of whether Trump had knowledge of it, was to commit a "felony" when a legal NDA is never public regardless of the bookkeeping.  Maybe I missed an explanation somewhere, but I don't see how the falsification of business records is election interference by concealing records that were never public to begin with.

You're highlighting (although I'm disappointed that's even necessary) the real issue here.  This whole trial seems like a made out of whole cloth by design way to nail Trump.  If Trump were the first politician to engage in this type of behavior this probably wouldn't be an issue.  But when you look at the avalanche of things past POTUS' have done, many light years more egregious and serious, and yet none of them have ever even sniffed an indictment, it lends tremendous credence to the idea that Trump is being uniquely targeted.

We're all aware that for the anti-Trump crowd this isn't a bug, it's a feature.  They're over the moon because they finally got their pound of flesh, for now.  For those paying attention the long term damage to our national fabric is readily apparent.  These odd features of the Bragg case delineated in my link are further proof, and rather compelling proof at that, that this system is rigged for those in power.  That those who dare challenge that are going to be punished in unique and inventive ways.  This is not a recipe for national cohesion and is, in fact, the exact opposite.  

Most of us here were aghast at 01/06, and rightfully so.  But why would you think it would just automatically stop there?  Why would you think that further evidence of attempts to uniquely target Trump wouldn't bring in more people?  For all of its horrors 01/06 was more peaceful than many BLM protests in 2020.  What happens when more people decide they've seen enough, that they're convinced?  That this time it won't be "largely peaceful"?  If you're concerned about that, and we all should be, then it would be the height of stupidity to outright ignore or dismiss the very real concerns many have with this case and its unique features.

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RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 05-30-2024, 10:48 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 05-31-2024, 12:32 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 05-31-2024, 07:50 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 08:28 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Dill - 05-31-2024, 10:20 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 05-31-2024, 08:38 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 08:31 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Dill - 05-31-2024, 09:35 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 08:33 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 08:35 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - CKwi88 - 05-31-2024, 10:10 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 10:16 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Nately120 - 05-31-2024, 03:41 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 03:54 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 08:46 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 10:13 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 10:15 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 10:37 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Dill - 05-31-2024, 12:19 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 12:22 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 12:56 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 05-31-2024, 01:51 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - CKwi88 - 05-31-2024, 02:17 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Dill - 05-31-2024, 02:41 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-31-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - GMDino - 05-31-2024, 06:41 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 05-31-2024, 08:04 PM
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RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 01:02 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 01:07 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 01:10 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 01:14 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 06-01-2024, 07:46 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 12:34 PM
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RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - hollodero - 06-01-2024, 02:07 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 06-01-2024, 07:36 AM
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RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-02-2024, 01:31 PM
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RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-02-2024, 01:22 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - hollodero - 06-02-2024, 01:28 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 05-31-2024, 11:16 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 05-31-2024, 11:36 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 01:03 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 01:08 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 01:11 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 06-01-2024, 07:15 AM
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RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 06-01-2024, 08:09 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 11:22 AM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 12:21 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 03:46 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 06-01-2024, 02:35 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 06-01-2024, 02:51 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Belsnickel - 06-01-2024, 03:02 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 03:06 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 03:43 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 05:18 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 03:49 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 04:12 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 04:31 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 04:43 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 04:44 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 05:15 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - Luvnit2 - 06-01-2024, 05:29 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 06:04 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 07:22 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - samhain - 06-01-2024, 07:45 PM
RE: 5/30 ruling against Trump - pally - 06-02-2024, 04:45 AM
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