06-11-2015, 05:18 PM
(06-11-2015, 02:44 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: First France and Britain were the ones that wanted harsh war consequences on Germany not Wilson. "He (Wilson) is the only serious statesman here," wrote one observer. "He is a titan struggling with forces too great even for him." After the treaty was signed, it was far less idealistic than what Wilson had argued for.
And your assessment of Hitlers rise to power is at best simplistic at worst something Beck would spout on about. That part of History is way more complex, especially since Hitler and the Nazi party almost never came to be. A lot of conservative libertarian hyperbole at it's finest here.
Had we stayed out of WW1 .... They would have negotiated a reasonable surrender. That would have allowed Germans to save some dignity in their surrender.
And to wrap up the last couple of your posts.... For me it's not about slamming wilson because he was a democrat.... I am more upset he radically changed our foreign policy, which we will use today, I am tired of meddling to the point where we go into debt to pad profits of corporations, hedge funds, etc. As far as conservative commentary from Beck and others ..... You throw away arguments based on them coming from him and others you think have an agenda... Not sure taking history as its written and connecting the dots since is an agenda. It's good we found flaws, it means we have woken up.... Now as far as how Wilson is viewed by academics .... He was an academic, and there has been a faction of academics who forget to teach the bad stuff. This was a dark time In history, yes there were some positives of the progressive era ... But to deny that we didn't lose individual freedoms or that we all of sudden became interested in "spreading democracy throughout the world" .... Would not be genuine. Wilson and FDR both needed help to get us into war. The congress nor the people wanted war. That was clear.
Personally I think the era was interesting because of all the things that were glossed over .... This was a dark time in history.
In the end it depends on how you feel the country should be ran.. If you love the UN type apparatus, nation building, spreading democracy, then you love Wilson, FDR types. Bush in Iraq, bailouts, Obama is doing the same thing with TPP, the iran deal, the UN climate, bailouts, so if you don't mind losing your ind. freedoms for the betterment of the whole then your not gonna see this as anything but nonsense.
Honestly would be interesting to see who you think are the best preaidents. Top 3 or if you need more go ahead.
Personally I like Grover Cleveland and Calvin Coolidge.
