Clearing Up Trump Trial Misinformation

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(06-06-2024, 05:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: There isn't anyone in this forum who doesn't acknowledge that "both are bad." You are addressing a non-problem.

Incorrect.

Source for your "incorrect" claim, please. Referencing someone's "entire posting history" won't do. Cite name, thread and post.

(06-06-2024, 05:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Source for your 6% claim please.

This source says only 6% of the +1,000 protests involved arrests, including non-violent protestors. 96.7% involved no property damage. So probably less than 6% involved violence. https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2021/0708/BLM-and-Floyd-protests-were-largely-peaceful-data-confirms

This source says 93% involved no violence. That would make 7% not peaceful. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/index.html

(06-06-2024, 05:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You don't want to acknowledge just how shitty many of the people at these protests/riots were because you'd have to face the moral bankruptcy of your ideological fellows.

Deflection, but I'm fine with acknowledging that people who committed violence at those riots were "shitty." That includes ANTIFA and various right wing groups who see every riot as an opportunity. 

Shitty also is any attempt to conflate all protestors with them. I was happy to be one of those "morally bankrupt" protestors in my town who called for basic justice and recognition of common humanity, regardless of race. 15-25 million Americans were moved to protest Floyd's murder, not to mention more millions in other countries.

(06-06-2024, 05:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: One person died at the Capitol riot, an unarmed (which usually sends your type into a tizzy) participant.  many more people died at BLM riots.  Thousands were assaulted.  Thousands of assaults could never be charged because we couldn't ID the person who threw the brick that broke my friend's jaw. 

You are still measuring broken windows, figuratively speaking, adapting the previous Capitol/BLM false equivalence to the current round of Trump-inspired violence, which your "ideological fellow" would obscure with claims like the right is on a "mission to be peaceful." Maybe a new figure will help.

In terms of the body politic, comparing the Floyd riots to the Capitol riots by # of people killed is rather like claiming a broken arm was more dangerous than a stroke because more tissue was destroyed. Making tissue the measure wholly misses the scale of threat to the total organism.

"The left's own standards" center on the fact that the Capitol riot originated in, and was led from, the highest office in the land--a direct threat to democracy from and to the executive center of our political system. So many essential differences here: Biden did not call all the protesters together and give them a target, then call the violent protestors "patriots" and consider pardoning those who received prison sentences, thus affirming his continuing connection to them and legitimation of lawless behavior. 

And the threat to democracy is still there, as the disinformation machine which set the capitol riot in motion is still running full throttle. Bels' thread here is an attempt to address one aspect of that machine in the most careful and systematic terms. It will be interesting to see how that works out. The false equivalences will continue to come, to normalize and legitimate an anti-democratic politics.