Pelosi Took responsibility for Jan. 6th

[HarleyDog]

(06-12-2024, 04:18 PM)hollodero Wrote: Which is an idea that Donald Trump put in their head, falsely, since there is no evidence the election was actually rigged in Biden's favor. I can not possibly declare Trump free of guilt for so intensely propagating that lie. And all these people were sent by him, they all were convinced that they were acting on Trump's behalf and acting on his wishes. Had he made it clear that violence and storming the Capitol was not in his interest, immediately after the violence unfolded, it possibly would have gone a long way to end it way sooner. At the very least, he should have tried and failing to do so makes him morally guilty in my book.

I have no debate on anything you said here. However, This was still fresh at the time. I think he believed it was stolen. People believed it was stolen.

Quote:Well, I don't really think so, but I can't really prove otherwise in a way that you would be convinced. Admittedly, I generally have a hard time imagining how good people march alongside proud boys, oathkeepers and the like - who mostly were not disguised in any way, but showed openly what kind of people they were. To me it's similar to the whole Charlottesville situation, where allegedly good people marched alongside Nazis who shouted Nazi things. Imho, that just is not what good people do.

Btw. this answer is not meant to be confrontational. I am aware that everyone here opposes violence.

To be fair, it's not like these people wore patches stating they were with a specific group of people and people said, "Hey, let's follow they oathkeepers or the proud boys, or whoever. Also, if you have a crowd of thousands of people and these groups interject themselves into the middle of the crowd, where is the crowd to go where they would not be followed? 

Also, I didn't take your remarks as being confrontational, but opposite. I thought it was well written. In the end, we have 2 sides who keep critical information secret while twisting other information to make the other look bad. We never get the whole story, and probably never will. So, we discuss and hopefully meet somewhere in the middle. Whatever conclusion we come up with is the most honest, even if it's far from the truth itself.