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(06-21-2024, 04:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If I'm on the far right, the only social "conditions" that degrade families which I can acknowledge are "far left" social policies. Otherwise, there is no effective or affectable connection between social environment (e.g., poverty, crime, lack of educational/employment/housing opportunity)  and the family problems you'd address above. Those are all traced to individuals who make bad choices, which begins with ignoring the Bible and flouting traditional role models and family ideals.  ...
So you are dealing with a total world view here, in which inquiry into social problems stops with "personal accountability,"
 except where government polices are concerned. 

Actually, there is very much a social condition that is not contingent on acknowledging any of the above, the fatherless household.  As previously mentioned children do significantly better throughout life when a father is present in the house.  Even in single parent households, the results are statistically better if that single parent is the father.  Now, one might argue that the "far left" has been rather dismissive of the role of fathers in child development.  One might even argue that third wave feminism has actively denigrated that role.  But one thing can be said with absolute certainty, a fatherless household is most assuredly not a conservative position.  And, I'm sorry to say, personal accountability absolutely plays a role in this problem.

I agree that "a fatherless household is most assuredly not a conservative position" in the sense conservatives don't advocate or approve of such.
But I don't see how your description of the fatherless household is "not contingent on acknowledging any of the above." 

You've left some space here for social causation--3rd wave feminism and a dismissive "far left."

Otherwise your inquiry into this "social problem" appears to terminate with "personal accountability." 

No reference to poverty, segregation or other possible causes of family breakdown. The fatherless household is just there.
Statistical evidence (what some might call "minutia") associates it with many negative outcomes.  But none is offered
from the other direction, from the social environment TO fatherless households. 

Have I understood you correctly? What did I miss? 
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