Lefty fact-checker confirms Biden lied about Charlottesville

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(06-25-2024, 10:20 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I still don't see how Biden's lie about Charlotteville is turned into a Trump debate on people who follow him.

Biden's "lie" still has legs because of the people who follow Trump, and Trump's refusal to definitively condemn bad actors
such as the Proud Boys. If you "condemn" white supremacy only under pressure, pretend not to know who the Proud Boys
are, and then dine with a white supremacist, it doesn't look like the condemnation was serious. Just useful for supporters in denial. 

(06-25-2024, 11:04 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Deflection at it's finest.
People on the left seem incapable of hearing or reading about their candidate and his obvious flaws without automatically attempting to shift the conversation to Trump.

Trump started his political career amplifying a lie about Obama's birth, just before the Trump University fraud suit.
He ended his time in office with a lie that pushed a riot into the Capitol and cost lives. 
This week he lied that the FBI was ready to "take him out" when they raided Mar a Lago 
after he lied about not having any more classified documents.

And he has drawn his party into his BIG LIE about a stolen election, so that it has become the "religious test" 
for anyone who want's a place in the RNC and his administration. States like Georgia are preparing to make their
EC votes go for Trump, no matter what the voters say, supposedly because Dems rig elections no matter what.

THAT's the kind of lying that voters should be "capable of hearing or reading about," and the manner in which it has become party doctrine. 
Not whether Joe can remember a conversation from 8 years ago. Proportion is ENTIRELY liking in MAGA comparisons of candidates.

Seems to me the hysteria over Biden's "lies" and "racism" are the real deflection--as if HE were the chaos president. 

(06-25-2024, 11:33 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Honestly, though, can you blame them? Biden is the worst President in our lifetime. They've spent years bad-mouthing Trump, only to have their savior turn out to be a friggin joke. He was a joke as VP as well. But you know,  anyone's better than Orange Man. He's bad. He makes mean tweets.

Guess we are measuring these candidates differently. For starters, Biden did not conspire to overthrow a valid election,
drawing hundreds of others into the crime. What sort of voter thinks that's no disqualification for commander in chief?

27 months of continuously low unemployment, a well performing stock market, an infrastructure bill which his opponents take
credit for in their home districts.https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/10/house-republicans-infrastructure-funding-vote-no-00162361
Not only has the US reached the highest levels of energy independence in 70 years under him, but he has used the strategic oil
reserves to bring down oil prices world wide.  How does that add up to "worst president" when Trump is in the running? 

Democrats don't just recall the misogyny and violence manifest in Trump's mean tweets; they also remember that he made them while breaking US foreign policy, fumbling the Pandemic; and attempting a coup.  They were, and continue to be, a prime source of disinformation about the economy,
his indictments, and Biden. 

The overriding and overwhelming question of this election is--how can someone who manipulates masses with his lies and has shown readiness to
break laws great and small to keep power, still be a candidate for election at all in a country supposedly founded on democracy and rule of law?