The Force Awakens spoiler thread

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(01-09-2016, 10:23 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: No, it isn't that we don't understand it.

Think about this...

The OT came out and there was no talk about how long the trip would take.  So it was assumed that Obi Wan spent the time he was traveling to Alderaan training Luke and giving him a crash course in the ways of the force.  Luke was given an overview of how it works and while incomplete, which with the suspension of belief, was enough to plausibly explain him forgoing the screens of his ship and trusting his instincts, albeit with a little encouragement from beyond the grave Obi Wan, and making what would be considered an impossible shot.

Now with Rey, she has no such time with a force user, and she is already skilled enough to perform all of these feats.  When someone like me points this out, I am met with the stupid response "you didn't have a problem with Luke not being trained".  So now I have to explain why that argument isn't valid, since I was already under the premise that Luke had about 1 week (at least) on the Falcon getting some instruction.

The prequels came after the fact.  The prequels are already established as being bad and one of the things that made them so bad was the outrageousness of the technology used.  I mean, Anakin built C3PO and R2 was present through to whole thing, how come they didn't know who Leia was, how come they didn't recognize the name Skywalker and maybe tell Luke that Vader is his father.  Then add to the extra quick space travel and you now have a recipe for a flop.  The suspension of belief wasn't enough to make the movie work.

During the mission briefing a pilot stated the shot would be impossible, even for the computer.

Luke replied that it was not impossible, as he used to bulls eye wamp rats in his T16 that were the same size.

Luke had no disbelief that he could do it, as he had done it routinely without a computer before, PRIOR to any training from Obi Wan. 

So wasn't an untrained Luke using the Force already, and just not realizing it?  That is why Obi Wan tells him to turn off the computer and trust his feelings to destroy the Death Star.

I see that as no different than Rey not being trained, but realizing that she can use the Force, especially after Ren had used it to enter her mind but she was able to defend it.  In my opinion, she has the blueprint the moment she pushes Ren from her brain.