Obama is the Next FDR

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(06-12-2015, 11:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am really enjoying this discussion with you.  

Quote:1.  Ok I get what your saying but I am contending.... That bad we never entered the war, it would have fizzled out as both sides were running out of troops and money. To sustain.  Which would have forced a reasonable surrender for all.   Obvious everyone wants more but wktjout us everyone would have gotten about the same.   With some minor gives and takes.    Imo... This would have been better than getting into war.  

Again it's pure speculation that the war would've just fizzled out.  I'm not saying it would've been impossible but I highly doubt it.  Both sides refused to surrender mainly because both sides lost so much, and that was well before we entered the war.  Also Germany had started a campaign early in the war of unrestricted submarine warfare, in which the US maintained neutrality despite massive losses of merchant shipping.  Germany, realizing this to be a mistake, and not wanting to draw the US into the war ceased those operations.  However later in the war trying bring England to it's knees,  they resumed unrestricted warfare calculating that it would take the US a year before we were militarily ready, and hoped that England would surrender before that could happen.  They were wrong.

Quote:2.  I agree neither wanted war to begin.

  So do I.

Quote:But failed domestic policy for FDR and Wilson's desire to increase our influence abroad is what drove them to war.  This is where I have issues with them.

 Absolutely disagree that either went to war to cover up domestic policy failures.

Quote:No wars = no concentration camps,  no trade war with Japan, no operation snow, and no Pearl harbour.   Had we maintained nuetrality and not given indication we were gonna join.

 We've been through this.  No way we were going to just wish away either conflict by maintaining neutrality.

Quote:Churchill wanted us to join,

No denying that for sure. Absolutely I agree

Quote:FDR needed us to join to cover his failed domestic policies.

   Just covered that above.

Quote:WW1 should have never happened, Wilson just wanted to meddle in other countries affairs.   Something we were never meet to do....

  That tends to happen when another country is sinking your merchant fleet at will, without declaring war against you.

Quote:And you are 100% right about the war getting is out of the depression.  Buying bonds helped.   And Hoover caused the depression, it would have been a normal dip without his meddling in the private sector.  So I wil agree with you .... He was worthless.

  Well at least we have this.

Quote:3. I think a good thread would be to list all of a presidents accomplishments and then All of his bone heads.   Then would be interesting to I

Actually thought that is a great idea and I had a similar idea the other day.  I think I have an interesting way to do it though.  It wouldn't be in chronological order.  The format is based on a book that I have about the presidents.  I probably wont be able to start it until later this week after the kid goes back to his moms.  I'm just going to be busy until then.  Plus I want to see if I can find something similar on line, so I don't have to type a novel.