06-14-2015, 12:25 PM
(06-14-2015, 01:51 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Definitely clear as mud, in a lot of cases, without a thorough study and cross-reference with other passages. And i've always felt that if you give a human a chance to screw something up, he'll never disappoint you, so i fully understand complaints that even Christians can't always agree on something that they all believe in.
My feelings are, it's all there: allegory, literal, language of appearance, inerrancy, etc. It's not simple in any way, shape or form, yet sometimes it is.
So, in theory, i agree with you but i do believe there is reason to it and, all that said, i know i've done nothing to really make it less muddy. >.<
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Not all other points, all the kingdoms of the time. Probably some previously spoken of allegory here since the point was that satan lied and said he'd make Christ ruler over everything if he would fall down and worship him.
Did you ever have any discussions with WhoDeyJon? He is a classic example of an evangelical inerrancy proponent who was very quick to point out to other Christians their interpretation of the Bible was incorrect if it wasn't inline with his beliefs. He believed the Earth was formed in seven 24 hour Earth days because that is what the Bible says. Any other belief is incorrect. So if they Bible says you could see all the kingdoms from one mountain top then that is exactly what WhoDeyJon would tell us is correct.
Part of the problem with these discussions is ascertaining which type of Christian you are debating; a WhoDeyJon or a rfaulk34. Some people are reasonable and others aren't. My wife belongs to a UU church. I'm not a member, but I go with her when I can. (Nine year old daughter slept in so I'm at home with her today.) What I like about the UU church is they accept all beliefs and they don't try to make anyone's beliefs to conform to a specific doctrine. If all faiths were like that this Earth would be a much better place.
If people of every faith respected others beliefs and life choices while still disagreeing, I doubt I would be here typing any of this. However, when I see people of one faith discriminating against others based upon their faith and trying to impose their religious beliefs on others through legislation I can't keep my mouth shut.
You seem to be a reasonable person, so if I have offended you I apologize. My remarks aren't directed at reasonable people, but the WhoDeyJon's of the world regardless of their faith.
