01-20-2016, 11:28 PM
(01-20-2016, 10:09 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Didn't say that they're supposed to all be a top contributor, but it's what NFL teams are looking for in the early rounds. You can be a miss as a second round pick and still be a useful (if mediocre) player.
I'm not calling them all busts, I am calling them misses. With your early picks, you're trying to hit gold as often as possible. I think you're putting too much stock in the word miss. Most draft picks will be misses because if everyone lived up to first or second round status, then they'd all be Pro Bowlers and All-Pros, which isn't realistic.
I still think Shawn Williams can hopefully be a good starter in 2016, it's just that he's been a miss thus far. Gio is a great role player, but you're not looking for role player running backs in the second round. You're looking for the Maurice Jones-Drew, Le'Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy, LeSean McCoy, Matt Forte, Ray Rice (all 2nd round pick RBs since Lewis came here) type running backs. I'm not calling Gio a bust by any means, I am just saying he's a miss. I can't keep a straight face and say he falls into the same category as those RBs who ARE hits.
The Bengals have 1 Pro Bowler in the last 4 years of drafting. Obviously the Pro Bowl isn't the end all-be all measure of success, but still... the Bengals have 1 out of the 46 drafted Pro Bowlers in the last 4 years.
I'm sure there's still some people who think Chase Coffman will make an NFL comeback and become amazing are just lurking around, waiting to say "I told you so!" The same people who will show up if Kirkpatrick finally becomes an above average starter in year 8 of his career, or Sean Porter ever makes an NFL tackle. They're just not all hits. Sometimes busts, sometimes just not living up to expectations.
You are still lacking perspective. The Bnegals don't have to have a hit on every single pick to be one of the best drafting teams. All they have to do is have more hits and fewer misses than most other teams.
You post numbers comparing the Bengals to the combined picks of 31 other teams. No team would look good in this type of analysis.
And sometimes you do not even use the other 31 teams picks. For example you call Shawn Williams a "miss" but you can't name a bett safety taken by ANY team after him. Shawn has been kept on the bench because he has great players in front of him. Based on your logic Aaron Rodgers was a "miss".
