02-14-2016, 05:25 PM
Quote: Sovereign Nation
Oh, so you are going with, "I didn't say that, so please show where I did."
In your second paragraph you state that "blacks get harassed more in this country than whites." You didn't say that we don't struggle, only that blacks struggle MORE so. Which was the point I was making. The fact you think blacks struggle more than whites means that you think blacks deserve to complain about white privilege. So the struggle for blacks should be taken seriously, whites, let's just ignore them.
Exactly, I didn’t say that white people don’t struggle. If your point was to state that you disagree with me that blacks struggle more than whites in this country then state your point instead of saying I said something I never said, because saying “white people don’t struggle” and “blacks struggle more than whites” are two different statements. One infers that whites don’t have any problems and the other infers that whites and blacks struggle but blacks experience more struggle than their white counterparts.
Then you go on to say
Quote: The fact you think blacks struggle more than whites means that you think blacks deserve to complain about white privilege. So the struggle for blacks should be taken seriously, whites, let's just ignore them.
Yet another episode of “Let’s put words in this guy’s mouth”, Just because I think blacks struggle more than whites does not mean I think black people “deserve” to complain about white privilege. I think the struggles of black people go beyond the reaches of white privilege. However, I think white privilege has been part of the problem, but I don’t think that white privilege is the main problem or even the “biggest” problem. I simply acknowledge it as part of the problem.
Also, you again seem to put words into my mouth about “ignoring white struggles”. I think struggles of all people should be taken seriously, given that such struggles are not due to their own negative actions and are actual struggles.
Quote:However, most on these boards, go with "I didn't say that" and they scream strawman a lot. So go right ahead and join them.
So are you saying I did say those things? Because if so than you’re a liar. What you’re trying to do here is twist my arguments in a way that you can control my position and context. First what you did was say that I said “White’s don’t struggle” which was something I never said, then you go on to admit that I actually never did say that (effectively conceding that you did in fact use a strawman argument). So no, I didn’t have to say you used a strawman argument because you already convicted yourself of that. Next you go on to say that I said “Blacks struggle more than whites, which means you’re saying blacks deserve to complain about white privilege”. Umm, no I never said that either.
You see, there you go again trying to say “what I said” when it actually isn’t even what I said. You’re trying to control the argument by telling me “what I mean” when that is simply not the case. That is what you assume or believe I mean and thus are creating arguments for me that I never argued in an attempt to slander my position.
Quote:Blacksplaining is a play on the term whitesplaining, which liberals and blacks in the media have used against any white that tries to talk about racism. The original term was mansplaining, which feminist used to silence any man that would try to talk about the disparities between men and women. So liberals, thinking they are more clever than they really are, decided to play on the mansplaining by using the term whitesplaining. I am mocking them, by using the term blacksplaining.
Well thanks for clarifying, I honestly didn’t know what you meant by the term.
Quote:White privilege is a form of white oppression. It is used as a tool to shame whites for being white. It assumes special powers and privileges are bestowed on white people at birth. So no, white privilege isn't oppression, it is a form of oppression. It is a way to marginalize whites, and as any liberal college will tell you, marginalizing a group of people is a bad thing. However, it seems to be OK as long as that group is white.
Well no, white privilege isn’t a form of oppression. White privilege is white privilege. People can be oppressive towards those who they perceive to have white privilege, but white privilege in itself is not oppressive. White privilege is privileges given to whites based on their skin color, just as black privilege is privileges given to blacks based on the fact that they’re black or how homosexual privileges are privileges given to individuals based on the fact that they’re homosexual.
Quote:Now you are being very deceitful. Show 1 time a black man in a business suit was called a thug and was disrespected?
Again you seem to be acting as if I’m making the argument that black people are always being called thugs by white people. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that a black man is more likely to be considered a “thug” than a white guy. A black guy is more likely to be followed through the store than a white guy. A black guy is more likely to be considered “dangerous” than a white guy. This is part of what white privilege is, where white people are given the benefit of the doubt more than black people.
Quote:I will give you this one. I understand and sympathize with blacks in this country. I do know how tough life can be and I can relate to struggling with them. However, to say that I know and understand all the nuances of being black would be a lie. Just like it is a lie for you to claim to know how white people get treated better than black people in this country. You have no way of knowing this. You are not white.
So I have to be white to know how white people get treated in this country? Again, if this is true, why then are you even arguing with me? You just contradicted yourself by saying that we both have to be a part of each other’s races to know how our races are treated. If that’s true then this argument is pointless.
Quote:You can easily see my privilege, and even though you admit to having black privilege, you still can't so easily see your own.
And what gave you this conclusion? The fact that I’m talking more about white privilege than black privilege? Well of course I am, is that not the main topic we’re discussing here? What I’ve really noticed here is that you’re good at assuming things about your opposition that aren’t true and making arguments for them they never made. I could talk more about black privilege but the argument here has been about white privilege so that’s what I’ve focused on. Just because I’m focusing on white privilege does not mean I don’t “see the black privilege I have”. As a matter of fact I do see that and if I can recall, I even mentioned in my first post and acknowledged that black privilege does exist just as privileges exist for everyone in different ways. So how you came to the conclusion that I don’t “see my black privilege” is beyond me.
Quote:Oh, so please show me the youtube videos of actual police racially profiling blacks.
Here is a video of what I actually said, that there are plenty of times whites are targeted by blacks for being white:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1k7IxONFFA
This is probably one of your videos that "proves" racial profiling right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-47Fxuc5nM
Because youtube videos are the holy grail of academic research. Give me a break man. Here you go again saying “This is probably one of your videos that proves racial profiling right?” Nope not really. I would rather get more context as to what happened in this particular instance because there isn’t much proof of anything here other than “what the cop said” and “what the black guy said”. However you somehow concluded that this cop wasn’t harassing this man even though you really have no clue what happened other than what the video portrays, leaving the viewer to interpret the matter. And then you go on to complain about how the black man was being “non-compliant and argumentative”. Maybe if you stopped and think that for a second maybe this cop did do something wrong, then you could understand this man’s possible reason for being “non-compliant”. I find it strange that whenever it comes to “black-compliance” people like you always want to say that black people shouldn’t be arguing with the cops and instead be complying with their requests and not back talk. Why? Because cops are always right and the citizen is always wrong? If you believe that then you are a very delusional man.
In addition to this, what I find ridiculous is that you somehow expected me to take you seriously when you posted a 15 minute video that specifically picks bits and pieces from various news stories that show “black on white crimes” and tried to compare it to a video that is not even 2 minutes long that shows a questionable confrontation between a black man and a white cop as if these 2 videos are even comparable and somehow account for years of social experience and represent a wholesome collective of analytical data. I mean really?
Quote:And there you go again.... "Sure it is a problem to be called slurs, BUT the issue is BIGGER when the word is ******", UMMMM, no. the issue isn't bigger, it is exactly the same.
You’re going to seriously sit here and act like the N word and the C word carry the same weight? The N word has been used as a way to perpetuate the idea that black people are a bunch of lazy, welfare ridden, uneducated thugs. That is not even close to what the C word means for white people. When a black guy calls a white guy the C word it is the equivalent of saying that they’re “Just another white guy that hates/is racist towards black people.” Those two words have never carried the same weight and to act like they do is ridiculous. Blacks are seen as no good low lifes and whites are seen as a bunch of racists in the contexts of these words. Neither of the words should be used, but they’re definitely not the same.
Quote:If you want real equality you would be just as angry and outraged at blacks using racial slurs as you do whites.
What world do you live in? That is not reality. You say that if I want equality I would be equally outraged at white slurs as I am with black slurs, but that is not how the human brain works. Human emotion is not a matter of picking and choosing what and what not to get mad at. Emotions are spontaneous reactions of the brain. People are naturally offended by certain things based on their race, religion, upbringing etc…
I don't think black people should be insulting white people in that way either, but to act like I'm somehow supposed to be "equally outraged" in order to get equality is devoid of any realistic notion.
Quote:You haven't showed one thing that blacks only experience in this country that white people haven't also been victims of.
Nor has that been my objective.
Do you not see the ignorance in what you just said? You’re essentially saying that unless blacks experience something that whites haven’t then there is nothing that black people can complain about experiencing because whites have experienced those things too. So then if tomorrow a bunch of black people rose up and started enslaving a bunch of whites and hanging them on trees you wouldn’t see much to complain about because blacks already experienced those things? Get real.
You again are missing the point. It is not about what blacks have experienced and what whites haven’t. It’s about who experiences those things more.
I will say this. I feel that in order for there to be equality there needs to be equal treatment of everyone. Clearly that will never happen because that in itself is an impossible feat to achieve due to our human nature and inability to be perfect.
I will tell you right now that I am not on the black side and I am not on the white side either. I think both sides are wrong for different reasons. As long as there are people like you who want to believe that black people are just a bunch of complainers and as long as there are black people who want to feel like the white man is always out to get them then the world will never be any closer to an equal state.
