Bern it up with Sanders or burn it down with Trump

[Mike M (the other one)]

(03-10-2016, 02:10 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: It really is a bad idea.  There's already enough college degrees out there that it's lost tremendous value relative to the cost.  If you really want to advance in today's world, you need an advanced degree.  So all these people railing about the deck being stacked and the cost to compete are actually raising the cost of success even higher.

There also is no doubt in my mind that all the easy money and govt subsidies has caused colleges to compete for students on expensive frills that have little to do with the quality of education.  Would love to see a comparative study breaking down the % of tuition that actually goes to education today vs, say, 20 years ago.

And, by the way, would it just be a blank check?  The taxpayer is going to pay for someone to get an art history major from Columbia, or do we say if you want a free education you're going to study a core subject at state university?

(03-10-2016, 02:37 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't see free college working out here because there's no cost controls. You can't tell consumers to get what they want and businesses to send you the bill. It works in some countries because there's some regulation of people going into different industries, but you wouldn't have that here.

The problem isn't with having more degrees, it's having more people with training to do something. Anything. Not everybody needs a BS in literature just because they didn't know what they wanted to do when they were 20. But that person might have an aptitude and interest in something else.

Who said we can't have stipulations/regulations in place and place more emphasis on certain fields and only paying for certain publicly funded colleges?

My plan and Bern's plan are different. I think most of you don't even like my plan lol

For starters, we need to break it down at the beginning. Longer School days and quit focusing so much time on teaching kids how to take a test. We need to be teaching them the basics and ramp it up as they progress in grade levels, also make some common sense classes mandatory such as how to cook basic foods, maintain a budget, teach them how to use basic tools, and I'm sure there's more we could add to it.

In the last week of High School, take a comprehensive test that will help determine what you like and what you are good at, to help give you a career guide path. Then after HS is done, and you have graduated, shortly there after I want all kids to spend at least 2 years in the military, no exceptions. The idea of putting them into the military is to help them learn discipline (if they don't already have it) and teach them to respect guns and each other and get them in good physical shape.



Once done with their 2 years, they can either opt to stay in for longer or opt to get on with a civilian life. Take a test again and see what your career path could be. Of course not everyone will want to go to college, but for those that do, at least they are a couple years older and would have a better idea of what they might want to do. Emphasis on degrees will be based on which fields are needed in the market or projected to be understaffed. IE: Nursing, Systems Technology. And not all fields require a degree, some require certification and that would be a path they could go down as well. People that wish to go to a private school, will pay the difference between the cost of going to a public school vs private school.

Just a thought. Feel free to add/change things that you don't like.