04-12-2016, 04:43 PM
(04-12-2016, 12:35 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, Palmer got 2 legit shots at a playoff win and got to the conference championship at the age of 36. Marvin Lewis has had 7 chances (maybe 6 if you consider losing Palmer as a hopeless situation in 2005) and he's never even lucked his way past the wild card round. One time in 7 tries we came "close" to winning, so there is that.
Bruce Arians got more out of a short window, post-second ACL tear 36 year old Palmer than Marvin got out of the guy when he was a no-brainer #1 overall pick in his prime. Then again, other than 2005 Palmer has only flirted with relevance when he has an offensive-minded HC in Hue and Arians, so maybe that just has that much more of an impact for him.
Do I think Marvin is a bad coach? Well, who knows...but I think he's got some pretty obvious flaws BUT he's operating under a less then ideal owner and pulling double-duty as a pseudo-GM so what can you do? I do think it is fair to see Palmer and Dalton's long-term viability in the NFL as a knock against Marvin given his lack of post-season success. Additionally, I would bet my left nut that Marvin wouldn't have done a thing with any of the QBs Lebeau and Coslet had to implement.
So, this isn't a Dalton vs. Palmer thing so much as me "wondering" why a team that has 2 decent QBs over a span of 13 years can't break through an obvious ceiling.
Why haven't any of you, in your arguing with Fred over this, realized that Fred brings up points that clearly go both ways while acknowledging only the side that furthers his agenda. See, he pointed out that the Bengals got better when Carson left while totally forgetting that they got better when he came back from injury in 2009.
Remember....
Marvin went 4-11-1 with an injured Carson for 4 games & Fitzpatrick the rest of the way in 2008. Then, in 2009 with a "healthy" (read: rehabbing) Carson went 10-6 and won the division.
Before....
Anyone comes in with the notion that Ryan Fitzpatrick sucks, keep in mind that he is currently a hotly contested property on the FA market and is about to get PAID. A lot of forum members, including Fredtoast, have often referenced FA contracts in debates and use them as a barometer of if a player is good or bad in the eyes of NFL teams.
Look....
The agenda the guy you're arguing with doesn't fall in line with the principals of his side of the argument so he begins to use logical fallacies in order to keep distancing the argument from the base facts which he doesn't care for. He's the king of logical fallacies. Read this for a few minutes and you'll start to recognize the errors of logic in some of his points. https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html
