Do we live in a Rape Culture?

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(05-05-2016, 12:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The thing is that it DOES take more than just a claim of being too drunk to consent to get a rape conviction.  I don't think it is as easy as you guys think.

As for both parties being too drunk to consent that would be almost impossible to prove, but you can't claim that you were too drunk to commit a rape when you have sex with a woman who does not consent.  Just like you can not claim you were too drunk to get a DUI because you were too drunk to know you were driving.

I get what you're saying in the first paragraph. What we're talking about is not so much how the legal system views it, but as to how society supposedly views it. Many people clamor now that if a girl is drunk, but she says yes to sex, she still was raped even though she said yes. Now, in a court of law, I hope it would take more than that and I believe that it does, but I worry that with more and more people claiming that there's no such thing as drunken consent that the courts will follow suit.

As to your 2nd paragraph, I'm not claiming taht anyone should be allowed to use a "too drunk to commit rape" defense, however, what I am saying is that if both parties are drunk and you can't consent while drunk then according to the logic of those who claim drunk sex is rape sex, BOTH people raped each other. Now, to ME, that's ridiculous and in my opinion, if both parties agree to have sex, then neither one raped the other no matter HOW intoxicated they were. Now, if one did NOT consent regardless of reason and regardless of intoxication level and "sex" still occurred, then, yes that IS rape.

(05-05-2016, 12:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: From what I see the media just reports allegations.  i don't remember any media claiming a person was a rapist before a conviction unless it is some op-ed piece.

The problem is that the general population sometimes treats "charges" the same ad "convictions".

I think the Duke lacrosse team would disagree with you. To be fair, I'm not just talking about mainstream media, but rather all forms of media including social media, etc.

(05-05-2016, 12:47 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm bad at interpreting tone in person, so on a message board it becomes even more difficult. The language and capitalization used made it seem to me like you thought that was not my position.

No problem. It happens to the best of us.

(05-05-2016, 03:55 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: We put more emphasis on telling girls what to do to not get raped than we do on telling boys why they should not rape and that women do not owe them sex. Is it as bad as some places? No, but that doesn't mean we don't have issues.

We also put more emphasis on telling people how to not get murdered or how to not get their shit stolen than on telling people to stop killing and stealing. So what? You think that the problem is that we don't teach people not to rape, murder, or steal? Or that we don't teach them enough?

I got news for you, there are bad people in the world. Some are brought up that way and some are born that way. And no amount of education is going to eradicate all evil in this world.

Am I saying that we should NOT educate people how not to rape, murder, steal, etc? Of course not, but we will be doing ourselves a disservice by not also teaching ourselves ways in which to lessen the possibility of being raped, murdered, or having our stuff stolen. Because you may not realize it, but we have more control over what WE do, than what other people do.

(05-05-2016, 04:18 PM)Benton Wrote: Because he's doing the act. Being drunk doesn't excuse the act.

Just because you're drunk, too doesn't mean it's ok to have sex with someone incapacitated any more than it's ok to rob a bank or sell meth.

I don't think anyone disagrees with this, but if the person is NOT incapacitated and in fact says, yes, is it still rape? If the person asking is drunk, too, I say it's not. I'm inclined to say it's not even if the person is sober, but considering that in that instance, the sober person probably got the other person boozed up just to have sex with them, so I'm not quite able to say it's NOT rape in that instance as well.