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(05-24-2016, 08:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is why I pointed to the minor in both cases. You wish to extend it to adulthood to try to solidify your point and quickly turn to the buzz words discrimination and protection. There is an element that feels we are protecting our youth by mandating that they shower and use the public facilities that is line with their biological sex. Some further feel that they are protecting the child by not allowing an adult of the opposite sex to use the same public facilities as them. Sort of like they feel 12 year old females shouldn't share showers, locker rooms and toilets with 40 year old males.  

You see their sense of protection as discrimination. Some would consider it a reach to say they don't feel the sex on their birth certificate. Hell they might even call it "beyond pathetically stupid". 

We can address what adults can do in an exchange when we are talking about adults, but as it stands right now only one of us is trying to bring adult's rights into the conversation. 

You really have not addressed the base issue besides trying to turn it into how adults should be given equal rights and considering other's thoughts on the matter to be "beyond stupid".

Answer one question and we'll call it square: Why should a minor be allowed to disagree with the biological sex on their birth certificate,  but not their biological age? I'm pretty consistent, as I say they should not be able to disagree with either until they achieve the biological age of consent; regardless how they feel. 

You jump around a lot to try and find a point that can stick. First this was me explaining that no one dictate's another person's sexuality, it's innate. Then it turned to you suggesting that a child should be able to be legally seen as an adult simply because they feel mature and also because we allow people to identify as a gender that does not match their birth sex. Now we're discussing protecting children from predators posing as trans people as a reason why trans bathroom laws aren't good. That's fine, but it's a totally different topic from discussing the fact that no one gives a kid the right to choose their sexuality, their sexuality is innate. 

However, if you're then going to compare anti trans bathroom laws to laws regulating child safety, I'm going to call shenanigans on it or at least ask to to consider other laws that will use the same warped logic. When we make laws regarding sexual consent or laws regarding mandatory schooling or laws regarding child welfare and parenting, we are making laws directly about the child. That's not the case with a trans bathroom law. If we use that logic, I am going to suggest you support banning all guns because a kid could be shot by one if someone abused gun ownership...

I also didn't call your opinion on trans bathroom laws "stupid". I said your little "don't identify with their birth age", which was an attempt to connect laws regulating the age of consent or adulthood to trans laws, was stupid. It is. It's really ***** stupid. 


As to this question

Quote: Why should a minor be allowed to disagree with the biological sex on their birth certificate,  but not their biological age? 

A child can neither change their sex nor change their age. They can identify as the gender that is associated with the sex opposite of their birth sex, but they will always possess either 2 X chromosomes or an X and a Y. Can they disagree with their sex and age? Sure, but they'll be wrong. 

You may want to ask "why should a minor be allowed to disagree with the gender associated with their birth sex, but not their biological age?"

The answer? Because our gender is our choice. Gender is a social construct ingrained in us through our socialization process. They are the only person who can know whether or not they identify with it. While time may be a construct, our age is something that cannot be changed. It is what it is. Our maturity is a different thing...