Obama: Calling ISIL 'Islamic extremists' would accomplish nothing

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(06-16-2016, 12:47 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They have always been more Old Testament.  That's the problem.   Even the good Muslims believe all the dark stuff.    Sharia law, genitle mutiliation, child rape, etc. 

Too many broad generalizations and inaccuracies thrown out here. Giving you the benefit of doubt with the assumption that you made some of these statements in good faith in interest of the truth, I will say this: Genital mutilation is a cultural phenomenon that is part of the culture in certain parts of Africa, and the Middle East and existed prior to these populations converting to their religion. This includes Muslims, Christians and Jews. I seriously doubt you will find many Muslims, let alone "good" ones who believe in child rape. If you want to discuss their penchant for holding Mohammed in high esteem even in the midst of the knowledge that he married a nine year old, that is a fair but different discussion. However, this would be like saying Christians are ok with child rape, since many states in the U.S allow consent for marriage under the age of 18, or because some Catholic priests were pedophiles. Obviously this would be a ridiculous statement. As for sharia Law, I'm neither a scholar, nor a fan of Islam, but sharia in my opinion is more complex than what it is generalized to be. This in particular, would require discussion from someone who is much more well versed in the nuances of sharia law, preferably a scholar on Islam. As far as I understand different populations find different aspects of sharia to be pertinent to them, but, as I said, I profess no expertise on sharia.

(06-16-2016, 12:49 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The central moral authority needs to be the uprise of moderate Islam.   These so called good Muslims need to stand for something.... The longer they stay seated the more they just become complicit.     

This is at best a fantasy. First of all, a small message board here has trouble agreeing on most topics, yet we want a group of more than a billion (even assuming we only require a majority, the number shrinks to let's say 500 million) to not only unify, but start an uprising? Some of these populations can't even protest their own governments, but we want them to somehow, unify with populations in other countries and start an uprising? Over a perceived complicity? I say perceived because, there is no consensus on this message board, let alone a global one, that muslims in general are complicit because nutcases decided to use "Islam" for political gain. Just like catholic priests' atrocities don't make christians in general complicit, so are muslims in general not complicit for what a few mentally deranged individuals do in the name of a religion.
If you think this uprising is feasible, then I suggest that Americans write to their Congressmen to start decrying our relationship with the Saudis explicitly for the world to hear, and to denounce the Wahhabi influence on all these terrorist activities. But we know that this is neither feasible nor practical for Americans to do, until we reach energy independence. If we can take this first step, then, maybe I can believe that this uprising could even approach feasibility.