Gruden, Newton & a nixed trade - How Andy became a Bengal

[Shake n Blake]

(08-01-2016, 05:33 PM)Au165 Wrote: Here is the thing in defense of Mike Brown....it worked. That pick to move up could have been Clint Boling. Boling has been a big part of our offensive line and to not have him could have had a negative effect on this team. The thing was they were okay with Kapernick, but liked Dalton more. That is the kind of gamble you have to take sometimes, when it works your a genius when it doesn't your an idiot. These things probably happen all the time and we never hear about it.

I'd normally understand gambling that a player would fall. In fact, I'd encourage it. We're talking about a potential franchise QB though... for a team that had no QB. The risk was too big. I'm honestly a little surprised that so many would side with Mike Brown over our coaches, who clearly thought trading up was the right move. I'd say Marv has the far better track record with personnel decisions.

As for how the non-trade worked out, like I said, we got lucky that Dalton was still there. That doesn't automatically mean that standing put was a smart move. Marv and Jay had the guy they wanted and had the common sense to realize that ensuring that they'd land their coveted QB was worth offering up say.. a 4th-5th round pick. And fwiw, if the Bengals had to do it all over, I'd give up Clint Boling without blinking to ensure that we wind up with Dalton. Guards are easily replaceable. QBs are not.

(08-01-2016, 10:54 PM)CincyKid Wrote: Mike did the same thing Tobin did this year........Duke waited on a WR instead of trading up; ala give

up draft picks; and grabbed a CB and a WR 1-2

Patience is a good thing......Billings comes to mind as an example

Like I said above, waiting on a WR is one thing. Waiting on a QB that you're coaches feel could be the future of the franchise (or at least stabilize the position)? When you don't have a QB? For the sake of a late round pick? Dumb. Marv (the smarter personnel guy) wanted to trade up. I feel good siding with him on that one. It's a risk/reward thing. The risk of losing Andy Dalton wasn't worth the reward of getting say... Clint Boling (the best player - by far - that came after Dalton in that draft).