08-15-2016, 05:21 PM
(08-15-2016, 04:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: People also want clean air, safe working conditions, and a living wage for their work.
They want access to public education.
If they want to start their own business they don't want to be driven into bankruptcy by monopolies that engage in price fixing and market manipulation.
They don't want to be trapped in poverty while the wealthy elite use their unlimited power to oppress the poor and eliminate any possible competition.
People can have all of those things without socialism lol. In fact, socialism and more government control will make all those things even worse. Even before the government started realizing they can control the economy, pick the winners and losers and scam a ton of money off the system by creating a heavily regulated business environment, we were already getting better in some environmental areas just because the market demanded it. Is there a need for some basic government regulation in certain areas? Sure it definitely has its place, but the way it is today it stifles production and hurts people more than it helps them. Just look around, dont take my word for it lol. I am a business owner, and my parents are also business owners. My sister is a business owner. My uncles are business owners. We are all in different fields, but we all agree on one thing. The more the government gets involved, the harder it is to offer a good product at a fair price, and hire good workers and pay them well. Price fixing, monopolies and all that stuff you speak of? Yeah, a direct result of governments allowing big companies to pay them off. Government creates those problems man, when they are supposed to be protecting against it. Socialism would make that even worse because then we dont even have the constitution to use to try and restore our liberty. Once we give up our freedom and power to government, we never get it back. You actually want that? You want more government control? All of the things you listed are because of government lol.
Tell me how many people that grow up in the government run welfare system ever make it out of poverty? They are not being helped by being cottled from cradle to grave by government. This system is what is really oppressive. Do you know the one single thing in the world that has been responsible for bring more people out of poverty --more than any other thing? Capitalism. Socialism only creates more poor people. The government cant creat some kind of liberal socialistic utophia like you folks thing they can. They can't even manage to keep the road in good shape most of the time, which is one of the very most basic functions. How many of the billions that is stolen from job creators and working class people alike that go into welfare actually make it into the hands of poor people? Its not very much Fred. Your fantasy is nothing but that --a fantasy. Look at Detroit to see what future socialism will bring more of. I shouldnt even have to say anything more. But I know you and you refuse fact to push emotional-based ideals. Its the liberal way. Facts and logic doesnt really enter the mix.
