08-15-2016, 06:59 PM
(08-15-2016, 06:32 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Detroit had a thriving economy based upon the automotive industry because of capitalism. Then the jobs went elsewhere and their local economy collapsed because of capitalism. Jobs go overseas because of capitalism. Cheaper foreign workers are given work visas because of capitalism. Employers don't provide benefits because of capitalism. Price gouging occurs because of capitalism. Unions were formed because of capitalism. Pharmaceutical companies publish misleading results because of capitalism. Late night TV is filled with over the counter supplements with no proven benefits because of capitalism. Charlatans like Rev. Jim Baker swindle people because of capitalism. Johnathan Joseph couldn't get some Gatorade because of capitalism!
I don't believe in a liberal socialist utopia. I don't believe capitalism and trickle down will solve all are problems. Because we need both. Capitalism is a system of winners . . . and losers. Many people fail despite their best effort through no fault of their own. Those who work hard and succeed should enjoy their success. But, if we are the greatest nation the world has ever seen as we are quick to tell the rest of the world then I think we should act like the greatest instead of pretending the Shamwow guy and others like him will solve everything if the government would just get out of the way.
You are completely misguided if you think the car companies just up and left so they could have cheaper workers. That is one of the liberal fantasy stories that seems easy to believe but once you really look into it you see its a total lie.
Did you know that GM was paying high wages and expensive benefits to employee's who hadnt produce a single product or dollar for them in 15 years? How does that work? The government implemented a lot of socialist experimental programs in Detroit back in the 60's, and they all failed and the extremely high taxes and unions asking for too absurd amounts of everything forced the companies to move away to countries that have way lower tax rates and wages. It killed not just car companies but everything. I spent a lot of my life in China and I can tell you now, they have big issues, but the sweat shop thing that Americans buy into is NOTHING like you've been told it is.
We can NOT make a perfect world where everyone succeeds and no one fails, through government policy and force. I mean you could try, its exactly what Stalin wanted and every other horrible dictator. But the bottom line is that in the end, most people want to live free and in the end most people would be willing to even die to fight for thevreedom they want to protect or gain. You cant have both freedom and government control.
As far as you bringing up capitalism and Jim Baker, I cant even see the point? Jim Baker's criminal activity had nothing to do with capitalism. We "havent" had real capitalism here in a very, very long time. Every year for decades, more capitalism-killing policy comes out and the government gets in bed with their pocket-lining buddies and create more cronyism, and they sell it as capitalism to a bunch of people who dont even understand basic economics. But that is not capitalism at all. The governments roles in the economy, if there is any, is protecting people against fraud, corruption and cronyism, but instead they breed all of those things and make them worse. Unless you've really researched history, you dont even know what a free market is because we havent had anything that even resembles that since our grandparents were kids.
Sadly I dont think most people understand basic economics.
