08-15-2016, 07:24 PM
(08-15-2016, 06:59 PM)djam Wrote: Did you know that GM was paying high wages and expensive benefits to employee's who hadnt produce a single product or dollar for them in 15 years?
Did you know that the government had NOTHING to do with that. It was a business decision made by a private company.
(08-15-2016, 06:59 PM)djam Wrote: I spent a lot of my life in China and I can tell you now, they have big issues, but the sweat shop thing that Americans buy into is NOTHING like you've been told it is.
Yes it is. The cost of living in China is about one half of what it is in the UNited States, but the average wages of the factory workers in Chine are less than one tenth of the United States.
(08-15-2016, 06:59 PM)djam Wrote: But the bottom line is that in the end, most people want to live free and in the end most people would be willing to even die to fight for thevreedom they want to protect or gain. You cant have both freedom and government control.
You can't have freedom with unregulated capitalism because the wealthy elite will use their advantage to oppress the poor and eliminate and possible competition. History proves this. Look at the people that were willing to die in the labor wars of the early 20th century. The oppression of the wealthy was so extreme that people died in order to form unions.
Socialist policies would have no effect on freedom of speech, freedom of association, religious freedom, freedom to own weapons, freedom to marry who you want, freedom to live where you want, freedom to work at what you want. In fact the socialist policies promoted by Bernie Sanders would not even effect the freedom to own your own business. There is nothing about socialist economic policies that would restrict your freedom.
(08-15-2016, 06:59 PM)djam Wrote: Unless you've really researched history, you dont even know what a free market is because we havent had anything that even resembles that since our grandparents were kids.
Sadly I dont think most people understand basic economics.
You are the one who claimed that the government created monopolies and that businesses were voluntarily paying for workplace safety and environmental protection before the government forced them to. You have proven that you have no clue about history.
In the good old days that you long for coal companies were not paying a living wage and were hiring professional killers to to murder labor organizers. Children were working in for pennies an hour. Coal miners were forced to work in poison air. Monopolies were eliminating all competition by price fixing and market manipulation. Strip mining was destroying the environment in the south while in Ohio the Cuyahoga River was catching on fire due to the deadly levels of pollution.
