What Percentage of BLM Protestors Know What They're Protesting?

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(08-15-2016, 04:17 PM)djam Wrote: Misguided and jaded? Yeah I was misguided back when my thinking was just like yours. I'm jaded from the failures of social programs that have wrecked our economy, and liberal/communist-like ideals that have divided people into class and race categories instead of uniting people under a freedom based live and let live banner like America was founded to be. One day a long time ago I stopped listening to what the bought and paid for, agenda-driven journalist and professors were saying and started researching for myself --history of policy and results thereof. It was not very hard to really get a look into the rest of the world either, considering I lived part of my life in China when I was younger, and my parents work took them all over the world most of my life. Socialism is a failure on almost every level. Doesnt matter how much you try to church it up, stealing from people to pay for others diminishes motivation, and hinders greatness, creativity and individualism. It has never worked out for anyone, and the countries Bernie and his band of clueless supporters try to use as a examples have struggled very badly, so they make excuses that ' oh what we need is "more" socialism and then it will be ok' lol. Its hilarious. How about this. Live and let live. Make your own way and let others do the same, If they volunteer to help others then thats great, if not, its their own business and you should have no say it in whatsoever. Anything socialism related would only work in a homesteading community type environment. Trying to force it on people in a modern society is utter stupidity. Folks want to be productive and make money for their work, and they want to keep that money and decide what to do with it for themselves. If you keep stealing from people they will leave. If you force them not to, then you've essentially created a prison lifestyle for people who produce things that others want. That kind of thing starts wars. 

You seem to not understand differences between social democracy, socialism, and other items important to a discussion regarding the actual merits and flaws to these sorts of policies. You also seem to not understand the actual positions espoused by some or the nuances of the policies in effect in various places in various points in time. There is no point in continuing this conversation.

(08-15-2016, 04:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Unregulated capitalism was also a complete failure.  History proved this.

I don't know of anyone here who is arguing for true socialism where the government controls all services and means of production.  I think everyone agrees that the competition of capitalism is needed to drive innovation.  NOt even Bernie's followers were in favor of the government controlling all industry.

But unregulated capitalism leads to oppression, death, and destruction of the environment.

So instead of arguing about which is better we have to look at what level of regulation and government involvement is needed.  Because it can't be either zero or 100%. 

Anyone who claims that either extreme is good just does not understand history.

No nation in this world, with the exception of possibly RNK, is 100% socialist. And no nation is 100% capitalist, well, maybe Somalia. Anyway, any country with economic policies in place has a mix of capitalism and socialism. The USSR was that way, China, Cuba, all of these places that we think of as socialist had a mixture. Socialism is not a dirty word, and it is not the same as social welfare programs. But some people just don't understand this.