Andy Dalton is for real

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(09-11-2016, 06:07 PM)Joelist Wrote: Even the INT wasn't a bad play - if Boyd breaks back to the ball (rookie mistake) it is at worst incomplete.

......not to mention, he got smacked in the mouth as he was throwing.  If the call on MJ90 was legit for roughing, then AD should've gotten the helmet to helmet on that one.

(09-11-2016, 06:23 PM)Emphasis Wrote: I tend to visit opposing team's message boards from time to time, and they always say pressure on Dalton is our biggest weakness.

I've never really believed that before, and hell if I do now. It seems he's getting noticeably better as the games go by.

Yes, he is.  Very early on, as with most very young QBs, he would get the "happy feet" often under duress.  That is a thing of the past, and really has been since '14.  Numbers wise, he had a down year in '14, but to me, that was the year he "came of age".  A lot of offensive injuries, and some on D, but Andy did whatever it took to put us in position to win games.  It wasn't always pretty, but to me, that is the year he took over this offense.  Look at the first drive of the Ravens game in '14....while he still had Eifert as a threat.  The offense was in overdrive.

(09-11-2016, 06:26 PM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: Andy had a great game after a slow start. Took a real problem (getting sacked every play and atrocious OL play) and turned it into the above stats and a W. The cream of the crop wouldn't have been any better today, Andy put up an elite performance out there.

I'd still like to see him do this week in, week out. But you can't argue with the way Andy has played since the beginning of last season. He has really taken a jump forward. Let's hope he can keep it going.

Yeah, was gonna say, he pretty much did it week in and week out last season.  Even the greatest have off games.

(09-11-2016, 06:29 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: Agree.  I remember when they were debating the draft choice between Dalton and Kaepernick.  We win.
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Ha ha ha ha, no shit.

(09-11-2016, 07:08 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I've been saying it for awhile, but I think this is a big strength of Dalton's that is rarely talked about. He just doesn't cough the ball up much for a QB. Pretty impressive that he didn't cough it up on 7 sacks.

To the OP, Dalton has been for real his entire career, IMO. He's just taken another step and become an elite QB now. It's nice not having to argue with haters (lately) because even the biggest haters can't find fault in Andy's performance over the last year. That said, Dalton definitely still has haters and they'll be out in force when he finally has a bad game.

He rarely does cough it up....except for the fluke against San Diego....ugh.  Anyway, I was right there with you.....as I said above, I even respected his play in 2014 against adversity.  I really believe that season was crucial in growth.  He needed to learn to spread the ball around more, even though he had taken steps toward that in '13.....he was forced to in '14.

(09-11-2016, 07:10 PM)bengalsfan73 Wrote: Andy showed today like most of the true Andy supporters have know the whole time, that he is getting better every game. He has taken full control of the offense and is now the leader we had all hoped he would become. So I am tired of everyone else saying he is going to miss Hue Jackson because that is not true at all. If anything, he showed today that he is going to take this offense to bigger and better things with Ken Zampese. I also hope that the so called AJ McCarron lovers will stop with all of the nonsense saying that he is better than Andy and that the Bengals would be better off with him as qb. If Andy stays healthy this team will finally break the playoff win drought this year and he will definitely have a legit shot at MVP consideration.

.....agree, however, the only thing I didn't like yesterday, was I felt we should have ran more early on to slow down the pass rush.  It seemed they didn't want to run.  As the game progressed, the run game got going.  Gio and Hill looked like gangbusters out there...moving piles, running with authority and decisiveness.  I don't know who's shoulders that was on, but I just feel they could have ran a tad more to start.  Obviously, I'm picking nits, but it was noticeable to me, anyway.

(09-11-2016, 07:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You say that as if they hadn't always been rather silly, Beaker.  

Worse than silly....

(09-11-2016, 07:31 PM)McC Wrote: Maybe it's time to just take all the who said what about Andy in the past, put it in a building, blow it up and move on.  What did Andy do with all the negativity?  He used it to fuel his fire and work as hard as he did to get this good.   And now that he could shove it back in people's faces about how wrong they were about him, he never will.  

Maybe we follow Andy's example.

Andy is a great player, an outstanding citizen,a man of character and we are lucky as hell to have him.

Indeed we are.....

(09-11-2016, 07:38 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Starting at Center

Ain't that the damn truth!!!! Alexander needs fired over this....

(09-11-2016, 09:49 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Only an elite quarterback could have won that game today.  Andy Dalton got tossed like a salad yet he managed to put the offense on his shoulders and he would not be denied.  If CJ Uzomah had pulled that pass in early in the game the Bengals would have put the game away in the second quarter.  Speaking thereof, what about CJ?  He had a beautiful reception for 50 yards and his "yards after catch" statistic was phenomenal.  

Andy Dalton is elite, Bengaldom.  He threw at Darrelle Revis all day and compiled a perfect quarterback rating of 158.3 on passes sent toward Revis Island.

Good to see you back posting F.I.K.  Yeah, very impressed with CJ.  Derrelle who?

(09-11-2016, 11:00 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Dalton hasn't taken a beating like that since the AZ game last year.  He stood in there tough against AZ as well, but the MASH unit that was our defense that day wasn't up to the task. 

Dalton just keeps checking things off the "Bengal's Black List":

Never won on the West Coast- Done.  Even beat Seattle in Seattle.

Jets haven't lost a home opener in 5 years, and the Bengals  haven't won there in over 20.  Done, today, against what had to be the most hostile (loud) crowd in the NFL today.

Bengals never win on the road- I think he has the 2nd best road record in the NFL over the past 5 years.

I LOVED seeing the fire in him after Nuge made that kick.  I love Dalton, and I wouldn't trade him at this point in their careers for anyone.  Thank GOD he turned a deaf ear to all the assbag critics of him...and never spouted off about it.  Pure class, Dalton.

Dalton is all class.  It takes time for QBs to mature, even the ones loaded with natural ability.  People were so impatient with him.....they're looking a little foolish now.

(09-12-2016, 08:16 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: He has finished in the top 5 in TDs and passer rating, I believe but not yards, TDs, and rating all in the same season.  Let's not forget also the team that Dalton took over was not expected by many to win a single game...the result?  Playoffs. 

I think it is hard to say that, individually, Boomer accomplished much more than Dalton in the first five seasons when Dalton has taken his team to the playoffs each of those seasons.  Offenses in Boomer's day had not been as wide open as they are today (hence, Dalton breaking the franchise records for yards and TDs) but his team was one of the first with the WCO (I prefer Ohio River Offense) which when combined with the no-huddle was a unique and potent offensive strategy. 

Boomer was the master of the play-action fake, and I loved his leadership, but in today's NFL where almost every offense is wide-open, I think I wouldn't agree that Boomer accomplished "much more" than Dalton at the same point of their careers. 

Meh, I dunno, Boomer was a league MVP, and put up rather gaudy passing numbers for the time....a few playoff wins and an AFCCC.

(09-12-2016, 10:39 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Very valid point, those supporters like myself rarely declared Andy elite in his first 4 years but I can remember people putting him in lower tier of the QBs in those first 4 years.  I am not ready to say he is in elite class but if puts back and back seasons together of strong QB performance, he is right on the cusp of top tier QB in today's game.

Yeah, I had him about average early on, and in the top 10 by 2013.  He's approaching top 5-6.....



I'd like to add something I haven't seen mentioned here.  Dude was 23/30 366 1/1....with the well noted pressure all day.  What has been overlooked some, is that he did it without Eifert, and with a WR corps that he had never played a regular season down with, outside of AJ Green.  Good show indeed Mr. Dalton.