09-16-2016, 05:18 AM
(09-14-2016, 09:39 AM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: Dalton is good...last year very good. As much as I hate Ben, he is elite...that means in the top 5. Dalton is not there and probably never will be. Ben can make all the throws Dalton can make 90% of all the throws. I know you will want to disagree with this but given you are a great film researcher (you often support your stance with clips) show me one time Andy has put a ball in the air greater than 60 yards...if he has it needs to have height too.
Ben has several examples of balls traveling 75-80 yards is the air with a huge parabola. That gives a speedy wideout a huge advantage. It opens up an additional 25% of the field.
(09-14-2016, 10:40 AM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: You could have a point there.
I still don't have any reason to believe Andy has that much arm. I think you may be muddying the waters a bit. Your example makes it seem as though the quarterback is just standing there waiting for receiver to run 60 yards down the field.
For instance last year Ben completed a pass against us that was on the left sideline coming from the north end zone. He was on the numbers on the right...the receiver only had to run down the field 50 yards however the ball traveled close to 80. Point being he did not have to wait on the receiver to get down the field he had to have enough arm to throw the ball 80 yards in the air with a high enough arc to allow the receiver to run underneath it on the 50 yard go route. Andy cannot make that throw and never will. That does not make him a bad QB it just is obvious he cannot make all of the throws.
Man, you really must not like Dalton....
I mean, sure you give him props, but think he doesn't have an "arm"? Really? His "arm" is better than most of the guys playing the game so it would be above average. That doesn't mean he is the strongest armed QB, but he has time and again, thrown spot on targets to his WRs while they were in stride. I remember his rookie year, him hitting Caldwell in stride down the right sideline that went for a TD against the Ravens. I know that he overthrew Green against the Texans in the 2nd playoff game.
Now the fun part. The times where it looks under thrown and the receiver having to slow down is more due to timing and not arm strength. Each play has a design and sometimes the timing is off. In a game of inches and mili seconds if a QB throws just a fraction late, he may throw the ball harder to try to make up the time, Dalton is great with anticipation, so he usually will throw earlier, so he will hold back some and do what all great QBs do and trust his guy to make the adjustment. There are other things that could contribute to a QB putting more strength into his throws or holding back, such as pressure, coverage, game management, ect... so don't think just because YOU think Dalton has a weak arm and "cannot make all the throws", doesn't mean he does have a weak arm.
I have yet to see a throw that he couldn't make that other QBs can. I mean his Hail Mary pass against the Ravens went at least half the field before the tip drill.
