Right-wing populism.

[hollodero]

Your post is quite a mess :) so I only can answer parts where I'm pretty sure what they refer to.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Are you not reading my posts? I've already shown a way to get the money needed to build the wall in a year or less and have a steady stream to pay for upkeep with extra that can be diverted to other places, such as infrastructure etc.

Well, the first thing you said was Trump will find a way. I guess he said "believe me", and of course you do. What is there not to believe.
So what is the way. Taxing outgoing money to Mexico, I hear.
Now keep thinking. I'm in no way an expert here, but allow me.
The money is not transferred and then just lies on Mexico's bank account, for starters.
First, you can tax the "private" transfers, money sent to Mexico directly. By Mexicans working in the US sending it to their families. Now if that is taxed, the Mexican probably would start sending actual products instead of money. If you want to tax that, you have to tax all exported goods to Mexico. Which might mean there is little to no export to Mexico anymore.
Now you can tax the money the US spends to buy Mexican stuff.
Does that sound good?
It might not be. You're consumers. And providers of Mexican goods will want to buy the goods somewhere else, probably at higher expense (but well under 20%). Or pay the tax. Either way, the products get more expensive. And no Obama you as a consumer could thank for that.
And you probably won't get much out of this tax, and effectively it might cost you more than you take in.
Now what this tax would probably achieve: An economical blow to Mexico.
Which would most certainly lead to what?
Increased immigration, increased crime, increased drug trafficking, all that. If Mexicos economy is down, migration pressure is up. If powerty is up, crime is up.
That plan doesn't sound so great to me.

Now you might say, utter nonsense, you have NO idea what you're talking about. And fair enough.
Still I gave you more here than Trump ever gave you.
Because you have NO idea either and yet believe Trump. THAT is the problem.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: *sighs Islamic immigration is not a problem yet. Why do we have to wait for it to be a problem before doing something about it? I don't want to see what's happening in France and Europe happening here. We already have enough problems with Cartels from the Border, we don't need more from that direction.

I'm sorry, what were you saying about Islamic immigration thru Mexico?
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/muslim-captured-coming-over-southern-u-s-border-had-ties-to-Taliban
SOB.

Oh snap, you found this guy. Scary.

Just think of that.
The chance that an American would be killed in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee was 1 in 3.64 billion a year. (now that's a study)
Now that is not "the one and only truth", but there isn't a truth possible denying that simple fact.
The chances you get killed by a fellow US citizen?
Since Sept. 11, 118 people in USA killed by terror attacks, while more than 230,000 Americans have been murdered (now these are actual numbers).

So... if you're so afraid of that guy, you must be so much more afraid of your neighbour.

And don't even think about entering a plane. Applying your rate of afraidness, you might feel practically dead.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Shovels? There's a technology that will detect tunnels.

Wow, that is so cool. The tunnel-detector. How does that work?

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Ladders? just how short do you think the wall is going to be?

How big do you think it would be?
Trump said something about 40 ft, right.

Now look what I found: amazing stuff

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Boats? how is a boat going to go thru, over or under a wall? Maybe you're talking where the coast is?

Well, maybe I am talking about that, yes. What was your first clue?

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: IF we have the wall up, less resources will be needed guarding the walls so we can concentrate more on other areas. *sighs, Never said they couldn't solve it, but it is a big deterrent. They could go thru Canada, but first they have to get into Canada. And improved vetting here in the US.

So... you're to a large extent are building a wall so terrorists would have to take a detour. Gosh, they will be so pissed about that delay. Well played.
Improved vetting, now that seems like a reasonable measurement in better proportion to the problem.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Attacking innocents in a Mall or in NYC or anywhere else in the US on a fairly consistent basis is not going to make us afraid or full of fear?

Actually, yes, it really shouldn't. Again, just think about the probabilities of that happening to you.
And since 9/11, how many of these atrocities were "islamic"? And how many were performed by US citizens?

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The Wall would provide a security blanket, which would make us feel more secure.

You're exactly right. It would make you feel that way. It's a promised feeling of security. Only a soap bubble. Poof.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Birth in Austria does not automatically mean the child is a citizen, unless at least one of the parents is an Austrian Citizen. Being born there can help speed up the process to get the infant granted citizenship.

That is correct. I do get what you meant now.
I tend to agree with you here, US policy seems a bit strange there.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Why are they locked? Because you don't want uninvited coming in?

Yes...?

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: What? I didn't refuse to acknowledge he actually said it? I said it's just bs coming from him. You are the one that seems to be stuck on that point.

Well, now you said it's BS. Before that you sight it "might" be BS. (If you refer to the founders of ISIS stuff here.)

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Oh ffs, are you that dense to think that Immigration is the only reason I'm voting for him over Hillary?


Immigration/Wall is the MAIN topic that YOU keep bringing up. I am on Hillary's side on a few things, but unfortunately for her, they are not high enough priorities to me.

No it isn't.
Again and again. I do not want you to vote for Hillary. If you're from the Kentucky side, it really doesn't matter, your vote is unimportant and counted as a red one anyways. If you're from Ohio, I'd prefer you do not vote Trump. But it doesn't really matter, does it. I just don't understand why you go for Trump instead of being outraged about those choices and the system that allows that to happen. That I would get.
Then again, it might mean you have to question parts of your constitution. What from a distant standpoint you really, REALLY should do.

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Yes they are, they let it grow. They are playing a dangerous game over there in the Middle East by trying to support the Syrian Rebels whom some are playing the double agent game with us to get what they want/need (guns/money), then stabbing us in the back.

Whom should they support then.
What do you or Trump or both of you propose.
This whole syria thing is a mess, but I don't know what Trump is going to do about that.
Ready to send troops again?

(09-23-2016, 03:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Oh so now you know what my expectations of a Trump Presidency are? I don't recall sharing any of that with the MB's. What I want to happen and what I expect will happen are not one and the same.

Well, you expect him to build a wall at no costs. That one you shared.
That's enough for now.