Right-wing populism.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-26-2016, 08:53 PM)hollodero Wrote: 1. You're right, I do not understand much of all that. Who said I can just an argue my point without being clueless and curious at the same time... :)
2. Here's what doesn't get in my head. If so many few people would have to pay the tax - as you stated -, how will this tax ever revenue the costs of a wall? (Which is 20 billion for starters and 10-15 billion annually, at least these are the very lowest estimates I could find.)

As for the rest... someone rightfully used the word "novellas", and at this point I'd start repeating myself. So let's watch the debate first :)

Good, cause I'm tired of the novella's too.
If you have a specific point or question feel free to ask.

FYI, taxing of annual remittances worth
10% of $225B is $22.5B
15% of $225B is $33.75B
20% of $225B is $43B

That's for one year, now it would most likely go down, but not by much, maybe $25B. So we'd lose $2-4B annually in taxes, but the rest would still be there, which is more than enough to build the wall and increase security on it.

Immigration is back on the rise, our economy has somewhat recovered and they are coming back now.
Say we currently get 500k per year (Last estimate in 2011 was for 462k) that manage to get across.

Estimate 20% have 1 kid after they get here. That's 100k kids (1 kid is just for starters, most likely they will have 2-3)
It costs the US $12,600 per student.
So for K-12th grade those 100k students, the tax payers are out: $1.26B annually.
Multiply that by 13 (to cover all grades) and we get $16.38B annually (this number does not include any other benefits we give them).

We know the wall will not be 100% perfect, so let's say only 5% make it now. So now, Illegal Immigration has dropped to less that 25k making it over/under/around the wall per year. 25k with 20% having a kid, is only 5k kids annually. Now it's $63M annually for those 5k and for all grade levels $819M annually. Big change, now we can use that money to beef up the education system.

Do away with the birth on soil and there will be no incentive to having a child born on US soil. Meaning even less kids.

Now for the War on Drugs,
The US spends about $50B annually on this (Fed+Local level)

I would suggest legalizing Marijuana, then going back and looking at all inmates that were arrested for Marijuana only and lowering their sentence time. This would help create room for the more violent criminals.

The smuggling of drugs into the US from the border is a business estimated at a minimum of $50B annually.
Again the wall is not 100% proof, so let's say only 10% make it now. Just wanted to point out that 80-90% of all illegal drugs in the US come from the US-Mexico border.

The business just dropped to $5B annually, that's a pretty big hit to the Drug Lords in Mexico's pockets, maybe now they will be weakened enough for the Mexican government to start shutting them down.

Not only that, but it really helps in our Drug War. Now we can use the money to beef up security at International Airports/Seaports and Guard our Coast Lines.

So with all of these numbers, the cost of a Wall isn't that outrageous, nor is the overall benefits of having it. There could be other benefits that I might not know about, but that's 2 of the biggest money savers that I can actually think of.

I've shown a couple of "pros" for the wall. 
Shown how in the long run it can save us more money than it actually cost to build it.

Now if you can show me numbers and use somewhat real estimates to get $'s etc, then I will be happy to listen.
If all you have is but but but but's then I will ignore you.