Right-wing populism.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-27-2016, 05:34 PM)hollodero Wrote: Have to give that to you... you really did make an effort. I doubt most of the things you said, but you actually did think about it. When did Trump take his whole "Mexico's going to pay for it" back?


- Drugs, I give you that that it probably will be hampered. I guess your "90%" estimate of how much it can be reduced is grossly overstated. Drugs don't just come over the green border, there are other ways. And cartels will find new ones; you can't shut down your country completely. I give you 50%, and that's generous.
- Immigrants. Look. I'm not on my strong foot here, so I will apply benefit of the doubt here and believe some of your estimates regarding the costs. 
But these illegal immigrants don't all exactly swim the Rio Grande. Many (probably up to half of them) just get in with visas and stay. You think only 5% would make it with a wall? I think that's in no way supported by - reality. Logically, denying Mexicans visas would be far more effective to achieve your goal. (I would never support that, of course.) If you don't, what's a wall really gonna do?
Or do you indeed want to file a follow-up statement regarding visas. If you don't, no way you stop 95%. No way.

So ok, it might not sum up to "zero", these effects. That I still can acknowledge.

And now for the effort.

This really is the best, most cost-efficient solution you could come up with? Just look at what you just built. Not only a wall that is 2.000 miles long, but also equipped with fancy tunnel detection technology, observed by drohnes and applied with quick response forces in case the drones see something. It probably is lighted by night (so the quick response forces don't accidentally run into the wall...), what a monument. Wonder if you can see it from the moon. What a sight.
And what a lovely gesture towards Mexico. (Not that you might consider that important, but I do.)

A few years ago, this would have been unthinkable. (And not that it matters, but I liked that America better.)

What happened? (Open question :) )

And it's a part of an even bigger picture, which was the initial point of this thread. Right-wing populism. That's what happened.
Now if you want to respond or not - that's up to you. I did include a wikipedia link, though.

? One of Trumps Ideas about how to pay for the wall is what I used.

The 90% on drugs is going to have to be re-routed. They won't just walk over the border or climb the wall or even be able to go under the wall. So you want to go with 50%? That's fine, we just cut the money flowing back into Mexico from $50B to half. Good Damage to the cartels.

I gave you estimated numbers of people that actually CROSS THE BORDER, no visa's involved, so they can not over stay visas. that's a separate category that is tracked by USCIS. There is no need to deny Mexican's a VISA if they are willing to pay for it and go thru the steps necessary to become a USC.

For the Students and Anchor babies, I was very generous in my estimates, go here and you can follow the math for yourself.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Europe-and-Muslim-Immigrants?pid=193225#pid193225

Uhm, we wanted a wall back in the 80's.

What happened? We're $20T in Debt, money has got to stop flowing from somewhere. I'm a taxpayer, I can't just keep reaching into my ass and pull money out of thin air. Something has to give. I want the Government to learn how to effing budget with what they have before they start digging into my pocket to help cover the Deficit.