Dalton or Luck?

[*jason*]

(10-01-2016, 09:53 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I wouldn't go that far. Dalton probably would've gone 2nd overall behind Cam. The Colts may have thought about trading the pick and letting Peyton retire a Colt. I still think Luck would've been the top pick that year, but there's no doubt he hasn't lived up to the hype.


Has Dalton struggled with a consistently bad run game? Has he struggled with poor pass blocking in '12 and '16? Has he struggled after losing guys like MLJ, Sanu and Eifert? Let's face it...outside of AJ, Dalton doesn't have any real "weapons" this year, the run game and pass blocking have been atrocious. So how would the Colts be any worse than what he's presently dealing with?


If "Andy fans" are delusional, make an argument based in facts. Shouldn't be too difficult if one side is being delusional.


Listen to Andy, then listen to Andrew. 


I really don't see where the big difference is. Both had/have terrible run games, both had/have one great WR. Both have had quality TEs, Luck was beat up a little more but he holds the ball much longer - and there really wasn't much difference in sack numbers, Luck had a quality veteran #2 in Reggie Wayne. Say what you want about Wayne's age, I'd take him over Jerome Simpson or some raw rookies like Dalton had in year 2.

Other than AJ being better than Hilton (who is damned good), I'm just not seeing a huge gap in talent. Dalton's weapons were exaggerated beyond belief up until last year. Probably to explain why a perceived crappy QB was better than advertised. In contrast, I feel people exaggerated how BAD Luck's weapons were to explain away why he wasn't meeting expectations.

The offenses weren't all that different if you look at the facts.

Shake... AJ Green alone makes Dalton's life easier. The Colts don't have a single player of that caliber on offense. Hilton's no slouch; but he ain't AJ Green.

Luck has never had that kind of talent to work with. He got an older Reggie Wayne, an older Frank Gore, old Andre Johnson.

In no way am I knocking Dalton. I just think Luck is the superior talent. Dalton has outplayed him for a season and some change, but they count on Luck to elevate that team. Dalton is more of a point guard ... He gets the ball to his playmakers. He couldn't do squat with that Indy team. Luck would look really good on the Bengals.

Andy definitely holds his own in comparison to Luck though.