Right-wing populism.

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(09-27-2016, 07:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: ? One of Trumps Ideas about how to pay for the wall is what I used.

He shouted out "Mexico is gonna pay for it" 10.000 times, and his fan boys scant it again and again.

(09-27-2016, 07:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I gave you estimated numbers of people that actually CROSS THE BORDER, no visa's involved, so they can not over stay visas. that's a separate category that is tracked by USCIS. There is no need to deny Mexican's a VISA if they are willing to pay for it and go thru the steps necessary to become a USC.

That is getting difficult.
You complain about illegal immigrants and how much they or their kids will cost you. You want to build a wall to reduce illegal immigration by 95%.
FACT is, 40-50% of ILLEGAL immigration takes place with Mexicans enter the US legally with visas and then illegally stay in the country.
This popular form of illegal immigration is not addressed or hampered by a wall. Please tell me you do get that.
Whatever you try to forge here for an argument, it's really more denying realities.

(09-27-2016, 07:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Uhm, we wanted a wall back in the 80's.

Reagan wanted to build a wall? Never heard of that.
I do know you had some kind of fence at some time. Which didn't do much good, as far as I heard. I'm just hearing stuff, you know.

(09-27-2016, 07:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: What happened? We're $20T in Debt, money has got to stop flowing from somewhere. I'm a taxpayer, I can't just keep reaching into my ass and pull money out of thin air. Something has to give. I want the Government to learn how to effing budget with what they have before they start digging into my pocket to help cover the Deficit.

And yet they should build a fancily equipped wall with money they do not yet possess.
I know you think that is some kind of money-saving wall.
Don't you forget though that these Mexican kids that get education with your money "more likely than not" will stay in the US and later on pay their taxes too. There's no reason to believe the majority of Mexicans are not hard workers that will eventually pay back in taxes. There's no reason to believe Mexicans are more likely to become criminals as US citizens. There's also no reason to believe immigration will ruin the country (for, as you said yourself, increased immigration is a sign of a wealthy economy. If economy isn't wealthy, net immigration tends to trend towards zero).

Both Romneys and Obamas fathers weren't born in the US. It's what made America special to me, that this was possible and no big deal. Now all of a sudden it is. Why? Economy isn't bad, your country isn't hurting, no number would imply otherwise. Why do you think (what Trump tells again and again) your country's wealth goes down the drain right now? It really doesn't. That is something I would consider a big fat lie.