Huge Podesta Email regarding immigration in Germany

[Mike M (the other one)]

(10-16-2016, 04:26 PM)Dill Wrote: To "Hillary it" apparently means to avoid rushing to black and white judgments with little information or context.

To "Hillary it" means you say a whole lot of nothing, to avoid answering the question.

(10-16-2016, 04:26 PM)Dill Wrote: A 10-year-old boy was raped by an Iraqi at a public swimming pool in Meidling, a suburb of Vienna, on December 2, 2015.

So now I am curious. How did you hear about this single rape which occurred 10 months ago in Austria , Mike? What is it's import for you?

Single tragedies are not usually the basis of policy decisions. When they are, it is usually a sign of panic and/or scapegoating
 

You are very correct sir, it was widely reported by the Right, and if you read the post I responded to, maybe you'll understand what he said about the Right.

(10-16-2016, 04:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: You are combing two different things:

Rape.

Immigration.

Just because a country increase immigration laws doesn't have to mean it's because there was an immigrant who committed a rape.

Just like when a priest rapes a child it has little to do with whether gays can get married in the US.

Sighs,
Please read my response to Dill's question.

(10-16-2016, 04:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: But you got one thing dead on:

And that is from both sides, neither group really understands the process.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: I said that is possible for I honestly could remember something about that, but not the whole story behind it. You could have taken it as a "yes" and none of my following words would have changed.


Yes! Jeez...


No in this case they don't. This is still a single incident and not part of any kind of pattern.
Don't be intellectually dishonest to yourself. You can't point to a single event and claim an "adding up" when there is no adding up.

Then why change your laws and beef up your borders if everything is hunky dory? You should be proudly showing the rest of world how much of a model country you are.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: OK, buddy. The immigration laws have nothing to do with this incident - and if they had, I'd be furious. What kind of question is that? There are dozens of other, much more valid reasons for stricter immigration laws; that one Iraqi guy is none of them.

How about the 9 more Iraqi refugees that just got arrested in August for raping a woman?
Or the Illegal Algerian Immigrant that stated in court he came here to "F*** the women?"
Or the 16 year old that managed to lure 2 women down to his basement with every intent to rape them (fortunately one got away and got the police there before he could rape the other one).
Or the one that forced the 13 year old to have sex with him for 3 months?
Or the 6 arrested from sexually assaulting women at a music festival?
American Nanny murdered by illegal immigrant?

None of those happened right?

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: Sure... and some, you assume, are good people. I get it.
It's not really about our "desire", though. In the case of asylum seekers, it's about our moral obligation. Which is, as a rich country, to help people who are fleeing death and destruction in their country.

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Now of course - and I'm no "leftist" here - we also need to control immigration and can't just let any number of people in. We're not quite ready for an islamic population going over, let's say 10% (or something in that category).
There are other points to be made here, too. Some influx isn't always a bad thing. Muslims living in western countries could be a big contributor for better relations and understanding - and be it just that they testify we are not the devil and not bad people here. And we learn muslims aren't bad people, too. That's important. On the other hand there's the job market, expenses, social security and other aspects that speak for a capping of immigration. 

10% that sounds ....racist. Why not 100%, open your doors, open your borders, open your hearts, open your wallets. Isn't that what you keep telling us to do?

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: See it as some kind of beam balance. We put different factors on the balance and try to give each aspect the weight it deserves (like the things I mentioned). Then we see how the balance is inclined. You can make a case of putting that one iraqi on the balance, on the side of "stricter immigration". But if you attach a weight to that, it just has to be a very, very light one. If it isn't, it's not an honest evaluation.

NO, I put a weight on every immigrant from that region. Many have very little education, struggle to fit into their new home country and in the end, and because they have a hard time fitting in, it makes them easy to be brainwashed by ISIS.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: That the right wing is feeding on stories like that is another thing. Here's why I do not really remember all the details of that particular story: The right wing forges and distorts so many stories, up to blatant lies. It's hard to keep track about waht is real and what is demagogy.

With every story there is a middle ground. You have to figure that out based on all sources. Ignoring 1 side completely is not being open-minded.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: If Iraqis would actually rape little kids on a weekly basis, believe me, I would give that aspect much more weight immediately. It's just that every data shows that immigrants are not significantly more likely to commit a crime as Austrians. THAT is the important data here. Not the stories in the yellow press.

Here's the data that you are ignoring, people that come from poverty and stay in poverty are more prone to commit crimes than those that don't.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: THAT is just hate speech.

Wow, talking about drugs and human trafficking coming over the Mexican border is now considered hate speech..
Have I not explained and posted links, showing that over 90% of all drugs that come into the US come from the US-Mexico border?
Guess what else comes with that? Human Trafficking. You probably don't hear about it much, but if a Cartel can find a way to make a buck, they will.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: Truth is, there are some people who do these deeds. The vast majority doesn't, and Mexican immigrants also are not significantly more likely to commit crimes than US citizens. Look here or google it, there are tons of scientific studies reaching that conclusion.

LOL the first problem with your report, is Mexican Immigrants, not illegal immigrants. Of course the legal immigrants are not going to commit crimes anymore than anyone else would. They came here the legal way.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: War refugees are not the main issue at the Mexican border, right? Plus, you should actually feel compelled to help refugees, too. You really should, moral obligation and such, so what's the point?

Popular to contrary belief, if you would read any of the links I have supplied, you would know that actual Mexicans do not make up as much of the border crossings as they used to.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-central-american-refugee-crisis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/obama-refugees-central-america.html?_r=0

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: I have no general problem with that. But there is an acute crisis going on, that's a bit of a specific problem. We need to help these people quickly. And Europe does, it would be nice and fair if you took some of the responsibility here, too. It really would be.

Fair? How many of the Mexicans/Central Americans in the last 20 years has your county taken in, since "fair" is obviously important to you.

(10-17-2016, 03:33 AM)hollodero Wrote: Says the guy who claims 95% of illegal immigration could be stopped with a wall.
But sure, I'm no expert on this issue. Which is why I in many aspects believe those who are. You should give that a try.

Says the guy that wants to limit Muslim Population to 10% in his own country....

You're right, we should leave it to the Professionals when talking about how effective a wall will be.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/this-stunning-chart-shows-how-trumps-border-wall-will-stop-illegal-immigration_03282016

There have been a lot of arguments put forth about Trump’s border wall idea.

Some say such a wall will do nothing to stem the tide of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States through our southern border. Others argue that the hundreds of miles of border can only be secured by a well constructed barrier.

The following chart from The Daily Caller should put any debate over the matter to rest.

The data is compiled from immigration statistics by the Hungarian Police and shows that not only does such a wall work, it begins working almost instantly.

Several European countries have erected fences to keep migrants out, and, according to the numbers, every case appears to have a large impact.
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When the fence went up Oct. 17, the influx went down to 870 from 6,353 only a day earlier. Illegal border crossing were steadily below 40 per day throughout the rest of the month
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Wow.. 40/6353=0.63% per day. Hot dang, 99% effective. Than you Europe for giving us plenty of Models to base our numbers off of.
I take it, you'll leave it to the experts from this point forward right and stop mocking the wall.