Cowherd rips Tomlin

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(10-27-2016, 08:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah, but he played in NY, is Peyton Manning's brother, and won two SB. I honestly don't think he's a particularly great QB, but a lot of people like him, he beat Brady twice in the SB, and has one of the more iconic pass/catches in SB history. He also surprisingly has the same 4 PB, 0 2nd AP, 0 1st AP as Ben.

If you read my post, I already said I listed Rivers behind Ben for the same playoff reason you mentioned. I just said they were in competition with each other.

I just don't see a QB with 4 Pro Bowls, 0 2nd Team All-Pro, 0 1st Team All-Pro in 13 years getting into the HoF. If you can't be the best of your time, you can't be the best of all time, which is what HoF are supposed to be among. It's not even a Bengals/Steelers thing for me. If he had a Peyton-like ending to his career where he has a couple monster stat seasons, add a couple 1st Team All-Pros, add an MVP, and then sure. Ben probably gets in second if not first ballot.

He just lacks accolades right now and almost certainly won't stay healthy enough to play into his late 30s. By the time he becomes eligible say in 8 years, players like Russell Wilson and company will have ~13 years under their belt in a continually more passing friendly league.

Ben found himself sandwiched in between some all time greats, and the up and coming passing friendly generation, while also finding himself with various health issues.

As much as i hate to, i'll have to disagree with you. Ben has 2 rings, the 9th all time rating (94.2) and the intangible necessary; superb at extending plays and completing passes downfield. 

I think Rodgers, Brady, PManning, Brees, Rivers and Ben are all locks. Not all first ballot--Rodgers, Brady, Manning and Ben are--but all will get in. 

Brees has a ring and a ton of records. Rivers, like Fouts, has the numbers and will make it even without the ring. Though i would expect him to take longer than the others. 

EDIT: Forgot EManning. I think he'll get in, but after all the others, even with 2 rings and playing in NY. Maybe before Rivers.