11-04-2016, 09:52 AM
(11-04-2016, 04:42 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Cool. So besides discriminating against foreign born Muslims you propose treating Muslim Americans as second class citizens. Must be that famous Christian tolerance I've heard so much about, but rarely see.
Well no not exactly (discrimination isn't always a bad thing, it depends on how and why it's being used). Just the foreign ones. Trying to contain all potential terrorists in America is impossible, but the impact can be lessened. And just because I feel worried about Jihadist infilitration and would so like our government to be more cautious does not mean I'm intolerant. Way to stretch the argument. I don't hate Muslims. I don't beat Muslims. I don't harrass Muslims. I don't constantly bash their religion much like you do mine. I just can't help but feel cautious when there are multiple terrorist groups threatening Americans and openly saying they will cut off our own Presidents head if given the chance.
Quote:Commenting on your question doesn't infringe upon your First Amendment right to ask your question. However, your First Amendment right to ask your question doesn't free you from criticism. Stop playing the victim card because you aren't being persecuted. If you didn't want "thoughts" you shouldn't have solicited them. You asked. I answered.
Persecuted? When did I ever say anything about me being persecuted? You made light of the fact that I asked "What is really up with Abedin" to which I responded "I didn't know that was forbidden". Yeah, I asked "What is up with Abedin". Is that a crime? I'm just confused as to why you needed to point out a question that I asked.
Quote:2) Are you shitting me? You posted two articles which suggests links between Huma Adebin to terrorists organizations, ask what is really up with her and write, "I can't help but get an eerie feeling that we really are being infiltrated by an islamic rule slowly but surely. Perhaps Trumps "great Trojan horse" comments aren't that off base. I've always held the belief that the US will never be defeated from the outside, it can only be defeated from the inside, and I still hold on to that belief."
But, you seriously expect me to believe you never implied she is a jihadist infiltrator?
Let me illustrate an example: "Are you stupid?"
I'm not implying you're stupid. I'm questioning if you are stupid or not. You answer, "No, I'm not stupid." A reportor picks up the story, publishes story online on WND.com, headline reads, "Matt_Crimson Denies He is Stupid!" The reporter includes one of your quotes, "I'm not implying that she is jihadist infiltrator. I'm questioning if she is or not." I read the headline and your quote and think, "Well, where there is smoke there is fire." Other people read the story. Share it with friends. Post it on facebook. Pretty soon your intelligence, or implied lackthereof, is trending. See what I'm sayin', Matt?
Yep. I posted those articles for discussion, not as a conclusion. Also, just because Abedin may be considered to have ties with terrorists does not automatically make her a jihadist. If you connected the dots, one could make the argument that the US has "ties" to terrorist groups in the Middle East. Does that mean the US is sympathetic to the Jihadists goal? No it does not. JUst because Abedin may have some sort of "connection" it does not inherently mean she is automatically trying to infiltrate the US government on behalf of terrorists. She could be doing that unknowingly.
Quote:Failure to perform one's job competently is incompentence.
Yep, it is. But again, failing to perform your job, and not performing your job for particular reasons are not the same thing.
Quote:Dude, you're a Christian that can't agree with other Christians about how a Christian gets into Heaven. I doubt you're also an expert on what most Muslims want. But, I'll hazard a guess most Muslims don't want to be treated like prisoners. I think that would be especially true among Muslim Americans born in the US like Huma Abedin.
Did I say I was an expert? I'm going off of what polls have said. It has been reported that more than half of the Muslims in America would rather be under Sharia Law rather than American Law. More than 60-90% of Muslims in other countries have been reported as stating that Sharia Law should be the law of the land.
Quote:That's where Jesus is from originally, with a lay over
Too bad he won't be coming from there or taking any flights.
Quote:Do you think all the terrorists are taking direct flights or do you think they might have a lay over in France or Germany? Revelations 19:11 tells us Jesus "makes war" when he returns. Sounds like a jihadist to me.
They could be swimming.
Quote:Naw. I mean doesn't the Constitution or what this country is supposed to stand for mean anything to you? I think it is hilarious how quickly a Christian will persecute others based upon religion. I also think it is ironic you would abandon the principles upon which this country was founded to protect those very same principles you would abandon. It's ***** nuts.
Persecute? I'm not saying they should be harassed and abused. Good lord.
As far as what this country stands for? That's highly questionable. Too many agendas and back door dealings going on. I stand for freedom, but I also stand for being cautious when it comes to defending our country against those who may have higher chances of causing terrorist acts in our country.
Quote:I didn't ask when ISIS came to prominence.
I know you didn't I was simply making a statement.
Quote:I asked how long we have been fighting them. Because we have been fighting them since 2003. Thus, there have been many Generals (plural) who though we should take them seriously. Those many Generals thought that since 2003. That's why your comment "an American military general" said we need to take ISIS seriously betrays your fundamental lack of knowledge about who and what ISIS is and how long we have been fighting them.
I said early 2000's. So I was right.
I've never claimed to be an expert on ISIS. Your point is irrelevant to the argument. ISIS isn't the only terrorist group in the world. I said "An American general" because that's what came to mind at the time I was typing. I didn't care to type out some feature length novel explaining who and what ISIS is and everyone that has said something about them. I don't get what your obsession is with this.
Quote:I'm more sick and tired of people who know nothing about ISIS complaining about ISIS than I am Christians who complain about being persecuted while promoting the religious persecution of others.
I have never claimed I'm being persecuted. And yes, I will complain about ISIS when they're executing thousands of people and committing multiple atrocities. You don't have to have an in depth analysis of an individual or groups past to complain about their present actions.
