so much for draining the swamp

[Dill]

(11-12-2016, 09:04 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Well, consider that it took Obama/Pelosi/Reid just 2 years to wreck a massive mandate and near supermajority...and finish the jobs 6 years later with "Repubs" controlling on 3 branches.

Truthfully, if you're a Democrat and being honest - those 3 are failures because they were given a blank check and unprecedented mandate to make lasting, productive change and more or less shit the bed.

If you add Hillary to the mix, in 8 short years they've achieved a total 180 in the direction/momentum of the Democratic party.  Almost as damaging as Bush was to the Republican party by 2008.

Don't quite follow your logic here, JustWin.

Bush's damage was done by an unnecessary, $trillion+ war in which 4,000 Americans died and the worst recession since the great depression, not to mention side items like giving away the Medicare store to Big Pharma.  Nothing comparable to that under Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, though Republicans made a bigger stink over four dead in Benghazi and a slow recovery. Obama's worst moment was probably the inept rollout of Obamacare, but that is the sort of thing hardly remembered ten years later.

Controlling three branches of government did last long enough for Obama to get Obamacare passed. Even if the Republicans repeal and replace it with something else, they will likely retain its most important features, so people with pre-existing conditions can get policies and people can take policies from job to job.

As far as the "unprecedented mandate" goes, no administration since Lincoln's has faced the level of obstruction Obama did, and from day 1, and yet he steered the economy through 7 years of rising employment and repaired much of Bush's foreign policy damage--as least as viewed by most of the rest of the world, if not Fox News. That is not shitting the bed.

 Obama's election did not send thousands of Americans into the streets of major cities to protest nor send shockwaves of consternation and contingency planning through US allies. He looks to leave office with high approval rating, and he will be replaced by someone without a tenth of his statecraft.  So I disagree that Obama, Pelosi, and Hillary (who won the popular vote) were "almost" as damaging to the Democrats as Bush was in 2008, or that there has been a 180 degree shift in momentum.