11-12-2016, 11:15 PM
(11-12-2016, 10:28 PM)Dill Wrote: Don't quite follow your logic here, JustWin.
Bush's damage was done by an unnecessary, $trillion+ war in which 4,000 Americans died and the worst recession since the great depression, not to mention side items like giving away the healthcare store to Big Pharma. Nothing comparable to that under Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, though Republicans made a bigger stink over four dead in Benghazi and a slow recovery. Obama's worst moment was probably the inept rollout of Obamacare, but that is the sort of thing hardly remembered ten years later.
The recession was largely timing, and a lot of seeds were sown under Clinton, to the extent POTUS is really responsible for a recession or can actively prevent them. But the mediocre recovery is all Obama. Now we are stuck with absurdly low interest rates, massive debt and the next recession could be even worse with less monetary ability to combat it. Truthfully, Obama has not been very different from Bush, and has had many of the same policies, particularly on the economic side (Bush's on steroids).
As for the wars, sure, but not sure it would have been very different if the roles were reversed. Certainly Slick Willy would have done similar and has said as much.
Obamacare is a mess. Bush gave the store to Big Pharma?!? What was Obamacare then - the insurance companies practically wrote it. It is shitting the bed because you simply didn't need to go that route just for pre-existing conditions. When you admit that it was a stepping stone, you implicitly admit you passed crappy legislation to force something else (again with the steamrolling).
Again, I think the Dems have fallen as far from where they were as Repubs under Bush did (who didn't have the same high starting point). That is, if you want to be honest which you don't appear willing to be.
Sorry, Obama/Pelosi/Reid CREATED that obstruction when they steamrolled the minority party and the Repubs most certainly did not start out that way from Day 1. They didn't think they'd ever have to work with Repubs again. Obama when he was elected was going to be the great unifier and reach across the aisle - he never did that.
I don't disagree Bush was terrible. My point is Obama isn't much different. To think one is good and the other terrible just wreaks of delusion.
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