11-16-2016, 12:25 AM
(11-12-2016, 06:39 PM)Dill Wrote: So "the blacks" did not abolish slavery but "whitey and the Christian-based countries were among the very first"?
I am not at all surprised "no one says that"--at least no one on "the left," where it is indeed politically incorrect to attribute racial agency to cultural/historical/geographic groups of human beings.
However, I am still surprised when people talk as if the history of world slavery, ancient and modern, is not comprehensively examined and discussed by "the left". And which "lefties" don't want to acknowledge that legal slavery was abolished in the U.S.? If you cannot cite one, then they exist only in the memes of right-wing groupthink.
The fact that some non-Christian non-white countries may have had some slavery has little pertinence to the fact that "Christian-based" countries established the largest (and biblically justified) slave economy in world history--until the opposition of liberals and "leftists" rolled it back.
Scholars don't examine the history of slavery to blame people. They examine it for the same reasons they examine all past institutions--so they can understand the institutions and the politics of the present. When 19th century arguments continue to circulate in 21st century politics, it is still very important to know who supported slavery, and why, and who opposed it, and why--however much certain groups would like us to forget.
Some "leftists" in the US may talk more about the history of US slavery rather than Indian or Chinese for the same reason that they talk more about US public education rather than Indian or Chinese--because it has a special pertinence to US state and national politics at any given moment. For example, the current right wing belief that government gives money to "the blacks" at the expense of hard-working whites with northern liberal politicians as their middlemen emerged with the legal/political death of slavery in 1865. It is a viewpoint perpetuated not by "the facts" but by certain social/political operatives, media, and institutions--including the Klan--over the last 150 years. It would be a good thing if more Americans knew this, but it would not better accomplish this goal to add: "and by the way, the 17th century Moghuls of Northwest India turned debtors into slaves called 'Pandavas'. Just so you know."
By positioning racial groups against one another according to their records on slavery and following that with an unabashedly ethnocentric discussion of colonialism, you have not addressed XXLT's original questions about the "false claims of whitey ruining the world" or all the "stuff" Obama supposedly "broke".
Christian based nations were the first to free slaves. Of course I'm sure you know that there were way more slaves than just black folks. Heck people every nationality has been a slave to someone at some point --even to their own countrymen. But to move on.......
So what 19th century arguments are currently in politics that make slavery such an important topic, that it some how gets pointed to the right wing as if they had anything to do with it? Give me some examples so I can better understand what you're saying.
So where does welfare come from? You make it seem like people are mad because they think the government is forcing white people to pay for black people. Thats moronic if thats what you think lol. Nobody thinks that except the left --because they love making everything a color issue. Welfare for all races is paid for by taxes paid by everyone who pays, which is obviously especially working people, of all colors. That includes blacks. Can you prove that wrong? I mean where does the money come from, if not from tax payers? You make it sounds like some right wing conspiracy. Where are people on the right saying black people are paid for by white people? That may be or have been a kkk stance, but its not an actual conservative stance and never has been. It's just another leftist fantasy. The left is always trying to make the right look racist. It's actually a tactic thats in the book this thread is named after lol. It's funny we're in a thread about a book that you've never read, yet your mindset and world view is a victim of.......amazing to me.
You could say that the government gives money to blacks because certain people dont think they are capable of taking care of themselves. It's definitely not the right wing who thinks that tho. They dont want ANY group to have special favors, including themselves. They think that God created all man equal regardless of color, and that every man has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Sadly for poor people, welfare doesnt lead to happiness or liberty, and its unintended consequences have been devastating to poor black and white communities across America. They have the worst education period, and really the worst of everything, and some idiots think that giving them "more" welfare and big government is going to solve it lol. It's hilarious. You want to help poor people of all colors? Leave them alone, and leave the people alone who could potentially give them opportunities to work. Liberal policies have been great at making sure everyone gets some kind of handout, but they have no idea how to create opportunities for people to work, learn and grow --unless safe spaces, trigger warnings and the violent protests going on all over the country are what you call results? Is that what you liberal run schools are teaching people to act like. In short, yes. Heck most of you leftist/statists support illegal immigration, a big time job killer for black and poor communities all over country. It has hit my area in certain industries majorly, and the locals are suffering over it. But the left makes deportation of illegal a race issue, whilst their own people suffer for why they are being let in. Its so sad that people are so stupid anymore, that their emotions defeat their logic.
For the left it's all division, especially by class and race --not much is based on logic, but more emotion. I mean heck, Alinsky talks alllll about most of this stuff in his wonderful, horrible book Rules For Radicals --which judging by your ignorance and world view I assume you've never read. Everything has become a race issue on the left --you hear it very much all the time in liberal media. Even though poverty strikes all races. Dont get me wrong, the black communities in this country have gotten a raw deal. When the state control and welfare hit, it tore their communities apart whether people want to admit it or not. The divorce rate went through the roof, even though before all of that, the divorce rate for blacks was lower than whites. They had, at one time the strongest families in America. Now? Not so much. They have the highest rate of fatherless homes in the country now. Big difference. Great results of government run black communities lol. So then they parked a bunch of planned parenthood clinics all over the black communities --everywhere. Planned Parenthood is awesome eh? Makes you think of freedom and woman's rights doesnt it? Well, it was a brainchild of none other than Margaret Sanger, who basically wanted genocide on blacks. She figured she could abort them out of the population so they could create some kind of super race. Giving them welfare, and the women even more welfare for kicking out dad was the perfect match for her ideas too --it just took a long time to convince people that we just needed to do this stuff to 'help' blacks. Those two things have done such great wonderful things for the black community, dont you agree? So anyway, the political side who sits with ol' Margaret Sanger's genocide-based ideas and policies, are liberal democrats. Heck a lot of liberals even consider her a great educator and one of the original women's rights activists. Here are just a quick few of the many great quotes from Margaret Sanger, the mother of the leftist woman's right champion, planned parenthood:
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization.Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.
On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in theBirth Control Review, Nov. 1921
How about this Dill, why dont you buy Rules For Radicals and read it? One of two things will happen: 1. You will realize you've been duped, and most of what you think you know is actually bullshit. Or 2. You will love it and pretty much want to take part in the overthrow of the government, so we can all finally be "equal" by force lol.
