12-06-2016, 02:56 AM
(12-06-2016, 02:17 AM)Dill Wrote: Don't get the rape reference. Do rapists pay their victims?
The question was whether conscription in the service of one's country was slavery, otherwise known as becoming some private individual's property to serve that person.
While I've got your ear, Roto, I'm just wondering how you would respond to this dilemma. Imagine that the US stayed out of WWII and the UK and Soviet Union were defeated by '43. By '46, Japan and Germany are poised to invade the US from Mexico and Canada. There is a chance we could repel the invaders in a two front war; we have the manpower. But our military is too small to defend both fronts, in part because we don't want to "enslave" citizens to defend their country. And we don't have enough volunteers.
Would you submit to the invasion because it's not ok to force someone to do something against his will?
If China and Poland are any indication, Japanese and Germans imposed something much harsher than conscription on subject populations.
Please don't say "we're not under threat right now." I am just asking a question about a principle. What would you do in this hypothetical case?
The rape reference suggested that the rapist could throw money at the victim and make the crime go away.
In the OP, I was equating being a slave to government to being a slave to a plantation owner.
Funny thing..... some plantation owners compensated slaves with food, shelter, and sometimes land.
Did that make it ok ?
As far as the two front attack, I still stand by the fact that a draft would not be necessary.
Volunteers would pour into boot-camp.
I don't think an attack would have gotten through Canada and Mexico though.
I never suggested isolationism, so our standing military would have paired with our neighbors to defend the continent.
Logistically speaking, the foreign invaders would have no chance without an alliance made north or south of our borders.
If they took Cuba and other islands, things could be interesting, but would still be a stretch.
We still would have had the naval vessels and aircraft in Hawaii, assuming our lack of involvement kept that event from happening.
I'm also sure we would have really ramped up production of war items, considering countries were being overtaken.
Worst case scenario...... atomic bombs dropped on advancing forces in bordering countries.
God Bless Oppenheimer !
Or...... we could always offer tea, cakes, and join in a chorus of Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles !!
