I Have Been Saying

[Mike M (the other one)]

(12-09-2016, 10:45 AM)Griever Wrote: a fetus isnt a baby

a fetus is basically a parasite, therefore has no rights

If a fetus isn't a baby, then a baby isn't a toddler, which isn't a child, which isn't a teenager, which isn't a young adult, which isn't a mature adult, which isn't an elderly. Oh wait, those are all just descriptions of the various stages of Human Being's Life Cycle.

an infant is basically a parasite, so the mother should be able to "abort" them as well if she feels like it?

(12-09-2016, 02:22 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: Someone wants to protect the right to life of what they believe to be a human life? Dear god the horror!!!!! Don't they know the bill of rights states everyone has the right to "choice, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"???????

No doubt, confusing. Some people are happy to go to war to help the innocent in other countries, but won't defend the innocent right here in our own backyard.

(12-09-2016, 06:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What I have noticed is that most "Anti-Abortion" proponents incorrectly identify fertilization as the "beginning" of life.  I've already pointed out your incorrect understanding of a life cycle with the chicken-egg paradox.  Oogenesis has to occur before fertilization.  A living single celled spermatoza, a living signle celled ovum, and a living single celled zygote the moment after fertilization are all "life."  The difference is in the ploidy.  But, the religious right only wants to recognize a zygote as "life" and dismiss the other two as "just a cell" while accusing their opponents of treating the zygote as "just a cell."  If the spermatozoa or the ovum aren't alive, guess what happens?  Nothing.  Fertilization doesn't occur.  "Life" is a prerequisite for fertilization to occur so life can "begin" at fertilization, but if the gametes aren't already alive (e.g. "life") then "life" can't "begin."  If NASA found a single celled alien gamete on a distant planet the headline would read, "ALIEN LIFE FOUND!"

*sighs
In order for an Abortion to be possible, a living Spermatoza and living Ovum have already been ruled as present and fertilization has already occurred.  We have created the zygote. If that was not the case, then abortion wouldn't be an option and we wouldn't be having this discussion.