12-16-2016, 02:55 AM
(12-15-2016, 09:47 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: *sighs
Sigh about it all you want, doesn't change the fact gametes are a stage in an organism's life cycle.
Quote:Your knowledge of my patriotism is based on what?
Your own remarks. Are you a veteran? No. Have you volunteered to defend the innocent overseas? No. So how would you know what motivates members of the military better than I do when I am a veteran and literally know hundreds more veterans than you do?
Quote:You are right, they are needed to start the fertilization process. However, after fertilization we have a zygote that is a genetically unique individual. And this is where Life of an individual human being starts.
I don't dispute that, but you aren't paying attention to my argument.
Human spermatozoa and ova are 1) genetically unique, 2)human, 3) life.
The majority of Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion proponents base their stance against abortion because they claim "life begins at conception." But, as you have already pointed out gametes are 1) required for conception and 2) living. Gametogenesis needs to occur before fertilization. If gametogenesis doesn't occur before fertilization then conception doesn't occur. Both gametes must be alive. If the gametes don't meet the definition of "life" because either gamete is dead then conception doesn't occur. Both gametes must be human gametes for human conception to occur. So in order for "life to begin at conception," "life" must already be present before conception otherwise conception won't occur. I ask again: which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Quote:If you wish to argue it further, send a letter to these guys.
http://www.biologyreference.com/La-Ma/Life-Cycle-Human.html
The human life cycle begins at fertilization, when an egg cell inside a woman and a sperm cell from a man fuse to form a one-celled zygote.
Between Jennie Dushek and myself, only I have the necessary education, training, experience, and credentials to perform ob/gyn exams and procedures or write prescriptions for contraceptions which can affect the human reproductive cycle. So if you would like to put her in touch with me, I will correct her. Although I doubt she would incorporate advanced concepts into an article designed for middle school biology.
http://www.embryology.ch/genericpages/moduleembryoen.html
That is an example of the level of courses I completed in embryology and human development. Please take note the gametogenesis module precedes the fertilization module.
Additionally, please note advanced texts state . . .
Quote:The zygote, the first cell of a new organism with an individual genome
It is important to note the text doesn't state "life begins at conception," but rather a zygote is a new individual. Unfortunately, most don't have the intellectual capacity to appreciate the difference between creating an individual from living gametes and creating life. You would think the conservative Christians would reserve that ability to God. But, to acknowledge the truth of my argument would mean they would need to treat spermatozoa and ova on par with zygotes. We can judge by your reaction how unlikely that is. Even though I'm a subject matter expert you're still convinced you know more than I because you linked a middle school level biology article. Go figure.
