I Have Been Saying

[hollodero]

(12-16-2016, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nope I want every child to be wanted, loved, and cared for.. No one should be able to abandon a newborn child; I think everyone would agree to that.

I hope so...!

(12-16-2016, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: However, if the woman can walk away during pregnancy, why can't the man? There is nothing fair about the woman having complete say if neither or both get the child.

If the man wants it and can support it; he should be allowed to

OK so what's the suggestion. The woman wants to terminate pregnancy, but the man wants the child. So she doesn't get to terminate the pregnancy, has to give birth and he takes complete care for the child afterwards? Is that your suggestion.

(12-16-2016, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If the woman wants it and she or the government can support it; she should be allowed to

If the woman wants no part of it she should have that choice

If the man wants no part of it, he should have that choice.

Now for the last part... that means a woman gets pregnant, doesn't want to terminate the pregnancy, so the man gets to say: I don't want have to do anyting with that child, including any financial support?
That means government has to help out because the man simply chose not to participate financially (and we all agree the child should be supported, see your first sentence)? That your suggestion?

(12-16-2016, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why is it fair to say the government cannot have say over the woman's welfare, but it can over the man's? (I mean besides ther profound "That's just the way it is")

I know it's profound and that you meant profane. I also think it's unfair only women have the breasts. Whenever they want to touch some, they simply need to feel themselves up. When I want, I have to do the whole dance, dinner invits and flirtation and being funnier and more ingenious than I actually am so that maybe I have a slight chance. I think that's unfair.
Then again, as profane as it seems, they have the breasts, they have the womb, that's why we behave socially and as a society the way we do. It's not fair because nature ain't "fair".