I Have Been Saying

[hollodero]

(12-16-2016, 09:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course you disagree, as you fall into the group that puts the women's temporary convenience over a lifetime of the man and child; even though, she was a willing participant in the act that caused the pregnancy. No matter how many times I am forced to write "Her body, her choice" on the blackboard I still won't see the equality in that. 

I tried to give my reasons. I do admit that the whole abortion thing is a tricky subject to me and I do get why one could be against it, and that it doesn't even have to do with religion or being overly conservative. It's not that I take it lightly. But I accept the societal consensus on pregnancy termination that was reached by people much more affected than me - and I get the various arguments for it - even though I might find at least some understanding for the opposide side here. (I personally might be "pro choice" because of said arguments (like "her body her womb her choice", which just seems logical to me), but it's closer as you might think when putting me into a "group"... which I do not like :)

But now that this consensus is agreed on, I feel it's time to accept said consensus. The rest of my argumentation is mainly a logical continuation. And I suppose your stance actually stems from a refusal of abortion as a whole. As I said. We won't agree here, but please just don't put me in a group. I hate groups.

Still, putting that aside. For your "lifetime" argument - what is really "taken away" from the man? A child he didn't plan for either. Or even worse, a child he DID plan for without the woman's consent (the needle in the condom thing). THAT would be a problem would things go your way and that is a valid argument against your stance in my book.
But apart from the possible exploitation. I also don't really get why you would want a child that way (by a surprising pregnancy) in the first place. I feel planned pregnancies are always the better choice - and if you don't find a woman to impregnate, adoption still is a way better choice then forcing a woman to go through unwanted pregnancy. I don't really see the huge "lifetime decision" thing - she doesn't want to carry the child, so just go another avenue to fulfil your child wish, there are so many. (Best way, find a woman who wants to be pregnant from you. Why not do that in the first place?)