Trumps wall

[Benton]

(01-09-2017, 04:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Sorry snowflake, didn't realize labeling you would upset you.
I don't hear you bitching about Egypt protecting their borders in the contested areas, only Israelis. Hasn't Egypt been flooding the Gaza tunnels recently? They have even put up some underground fencing to prevent more tunnels.

And again, calling Israel an "illegal Apartheid State" is a misuse of a Label from Left.

For one: Israel is not an apartheid state.
Everyone living in Israel has equal rights. If it wasn't, then why do you have people like Salim Joubran (a Christian Arab) serving on the Israeli Supreme Court? They also have Arabs occupying Senior Positions in the Police Force and the Knesset (Arabs currently hold 10 seats). All Arabs (including women) are allowed to vote in Israel. Arab Majali Wahabi was an acting President (about 10 years ago) while the current President was under investigation and remained until the next Election. Then that same President who was under investigation was sentenced by George Karra (an Arab Judge).

There is no educational or separate amenities for Arabs/Israelis everyone is treated equally hospitals, workplace and education. In fact, incitement of racism is a Criminal Offense in Israel.

Arabs in Israel have more fundamental rights than they do in most Middle Eastern Countries (definitely includes women).

The Non-Whites in South Africa had none of that, they weren't allowed to vote, went to special schools, had separate amenities, were not allowed to hold any positions of power etc etc. That is a true "Apartheid State". 

So to claim that Israel is an "apartheid state" is a complete mis-use of the true definition of the label and I am calling you an anti-Semite because of your view. If you don't like it, grow thicker skin. I put up with being called a homophobe, bigot, islamphobe etc even when it's not true, so deal with it.

Now as to the Illegal part of trying to occupy the lands gained from the 6 day war. Every country expands via "jus ad bellum", Israel did strike first, but they were provoked by Egypt. who breached a cease-fire and closed the Israeli Shipping access to the Straits of Tiran. To the victor go the Spoils.

The US was built specifically on Conquest, should we go back to territorial maps dated in 1700's?

I hate getting off topic. So to bring it back around.

I have no idea how much tunneling technology is needed per mile, as far as I can tell, this information has not been released to the public. If you have information stating otherwise, please feel free to share. Also as far as I can tell there is about 181 miles of wall that Israel monitors, and I could very well be wrong because I don't follow them as closely as I do the US.

Not finding a lot on what it would cost, but did come across this article from last year.

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/05/israeli-company-that-helped-build-gazas-wall-is-less-sure-about-donald-trumps/

Quote:The U.S. government is hardly unfamiliar with these techniques. Many, if not all, are already in use in some capacity. But a massive, fairly recent effort to use them to patrol more of the border and prevent unauthorized entry resulted in an epic waste of money.

In 2005, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) started the Secure Border Initiative (SBI), aiming to expand the use of fencing and virtual detection to block undocumented immigration.
A multi-billion contract with Boeing called for a system called SBINet to control a network of cameras and sensors intended to identify unauthorized entry and alert authorities.
During initial tests, the system was repeatedly triggered in error by things like rain. A 2010 Government Accountability Office report noted that “since March 2008, the number of new SBInet defects has increased faster than the number of defects that have been fixed, which is not a trend that is indicative of a maturing system.” Finally, in 2011, after a billion dollars had already been spent, DHS axed the program altogether.

Which reminded me of "SkyNet" or "SpyNet" as some people were calling it back when we tried it before.

But if at first you don't succeed, spend another billion.