01-30-2017, 11:58 AM
Okay, there is a lot of commotion about this EO, some of it warranted, some not so much.
The list was something generated by Congress and the Obama administration. My guess would be it is coincidental that business interests line up, but those business interests also line up with those of the country, so that may have been purposeful when the list was created. Either way, it's not something I am going to blame the Trump administration for in not including the countries we have actually had terrorists make their way to us from.
The application to permanent residents is something that will not fly. That was a decision made, based on some sources, by Bannon and Miller. The administration should be taken to task for that.
The vetting process for holders of visas and for refugees is a very strong process. There is a reason we have never had a refugee come over that was a terrorist in disguise, because the system works. This is creating a problem that didn't exist in order to solve it.
The application of the order was the biggest fumble of the whole thing, IMO. There are reports that DHS and State were not in on the drafting of it and no instructions were really provided to those carrying out the orders. This is problematic and one of the reasons why we are seeing so many issues (like the green card thing). Had the roll out of the order been over a couple of days in order to provide guidance, this would have been a much smoother process. Still likely to upset many, but there would not have been as many cases people could directly point to of misapplication of the order.
Lastly, the whole idea of this being a Muslim ban is something we have to be careful with. There is circumstantial evidence to point us in the direction that this is an attempt at a Muslim ban without calling it such, but that is going to be a matter of determining intent which is not likely to happen. There is the question, though, of the religious minorities test that is in the EO. That may be the death blow to this in the judicial process. Had they left that out it would have a better survival chance, but the ACLU is going to push back hard on that as violating the establishment clause given that it focuses on minority religions in Muslim majority countries.
This is going to be an interesting fight. What people need to realize is that in this age of PresidentBannon Trump we need to pick our battles in order to be successful. This immigration EO is troubling for a number of reasons, but we need to articulate why we think it is bad and base that on reality.
The list was something generated by Congress and the Obama administration. My guess would be it is coincidental that business interests line up, but those business interests also line up with those of the country, so that may have been purposeful when the list was created. Either way, it's not something I am going to blame the Trump administration for in not including the countries we have actually had terrorists make their way to us from.
The application to permanent residents is something that will not fly. That was a decision made, based on some sources, by Bannon and Miller. The administration should be taken to task for that.
The vetting process for holders of visas and for refugees is a very strong process. There is a reason we have never had a refugee come over that was a terrorist in disguise, because the system works. This is creating a problem that didn't exist in order to solve it.
The application of the order was the biggest fumble of the whole thing, IMO. There are reports that DHS and State were not in on the drafting of it and no instructions were really provided to those carrying out the orders. This is problematic and one of the reasons why we are seeing so many issues (like the green card thing). Had the roll out of the order been over a couple of days in order to provide guidance, this would have been a much smoother process. Still likely to upset many, but there would not have been as many cases people could directly point to of misapplication of the order.
Lastly, the whole idea of this being a Muslim ban is something we have to be careful with. There is circumstantial evidence to point us in the direction that this is an attempt at a Muslim ban without calling it such, but that is going to be a matter of determining intent which is not likely to happen. There is the question, though, of the religious minorities test that is in the EO. That may be the death blow to this in the judicial process. Had they left that out it would have a better survival chance, but the ACLU is going to push back hard on that as violating the establishment clause given that it focuses on minority religions in Muslim majority countries.
This is going to be an interesting fight. What people need to realize is that in this age of President
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
